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BBC Radio1 DJs' paedo ring

Taken from 'MailOnline' (August 5th 2012)...

Documentary claims Jimmy Savile sexually abused teenage girls, including one aged 13, during the Seventies
A new television documentary will claim Sir Jimmy Savile sexually abused teenage girls while at the height of his fame in the Seventies.
The programme, based on research by a former Surrey police officer, includes interviews with women, now in their 40s and 50s, who will claim they were subjected to abuse by the veteran presenter.
The documentary is being developed by ITV Studios, which also  produces shows for rival broadcasters. Senior sources at ITV say they have made no decision on whether to broadcast the film – which one programme insider said would ‘shock the nation’.
The alleged victims have been tracked down by Mark Williams-Thomas, a former detective constable with Surrey Police who is now a successful TV presenter specialising in child protection issues.
The insider said some of the women, one of whom was just 13  at the time of the alleged abuse, were terrified of Savile for decades afterwards.
He said: ‘Jimmy Savile was predatory in that he used his hit shows as a vehicle to get to those young girls.
‘All of those who have been interviewed for the documentary were under the age of consent at the time of the abuse. The youngest one was just 13 years old.’
The insider said the documentary  also included testimony from people who worked with the Jim’ll Fix It star, while a production source says at least one of the women taking part has waived her right to anonymity so she can talk openly about the abuse.
It is still uncertain if any broadcaster will buy the rights or screen the show.
Mr Williams-Thomas has collaborated with the commercial broadcaster on several recent productions. In 2009, he fronted the acclaimed documentary, To Catch A Paedophile, which involved him confronting a former Catholic priest who admitted on camera to trying to groom a child over the internet.

Savile, who never married, raised millions of pounds for charity during his lifetime and the allegations will shock his huge army of fans. But it is not the first time Savile, who also fronted the Clunk Click road safety campaign, has been linked to allegations of child sex abuse.

In 2007, Surrey Police launched an investigation after complaints that the star had abused pupils at the now-defunct Duncroft Approved School for Girls in the Seventies.
Savile was a regular visitor to the school and is alleged to have taken girls on visits to BBC Television Centre in return for sexual favours. He is also alleged to have made advances on them while taking them for drives in the countryside.
The police investigation was  dropped after a Crown Prosecution Service lawyer who was reviewing the investigation advised that no further action be taken.
In January, it emerged that  BBC2’s Newsnight programme had launched its own investigation into the same allegations, shortly after the star’s death at the age of 84 in October 2011.
Reporters from the flagship news show are believed to have interviewed three former pupils from the school.
One woman is said to have waived her right to anonymity so she could talk about her ordeal on Newsnight.  A subsequent decision by the BBC not to broadcast the report led to allegations of a cover-up, but a spokesman insisted the story was dropped for editorial reasons.
A spokesman for Surrey Police said: ‘In 2007, Surrey Police received a historic allegation of indecent assault which is alleged to have occurred at a children’s home in Staines during the Seventies.
‘The allegation was investigated by police but no further action was taken against any individual.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-including-aged-13-Seventies.html


Notice in that story that a police and BBC investigation were both stopped in their tracks. Why? Lack of evidence? Doesn't look that way to me maybe? According to the news-story, the police investigation was dropped because the CPS "advised" it be stopped, and the police state that "the allegation was investigated by police but no further action was taken against any individual." Maybe I'm nit-picking here (after all, I'm not a 'legal-beagle'), but the language used in those statements aren't exactly vindicating Savile. Words such as "advised" to drop the case doesn't suggest 'innocence', but more a case of... "we suggest you drop it... if you know what's best... get my drift?" And the police in their statement didn't say they were not seeking further action due to a "lack of evidence" (as they normally do?), but merely that they were... well... stopping it. There's more about why the BBC stepped back in another 'MailOnline' article where the 'Newsnight' editor says, "it is absolutely untrue that the 'Newsnight' investigation was dropped for anything other than editorial reasons. We have been very clear from the start that the piece was not broadcast because the story we were pursuing could not be substantiated. To say otherwise is false and very damaging to the BBC and individuals. To allege that we are withholding evidence from the police is also damaging and false. The notion that internal pressure was applied appears to be a malicious rumour."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...stigation-protect-reputation.html

Maybe the apprehension's due to claims that Saville was part of a 'ring' that - if opened -  would implicate some very high-profile politicians and so-called "statesmen"?... I've read one claim that Saville acted as the 'arranger' of the 'talent' (basically, a supplier for his high-society associates... one name mentioned was Ted Heath).

From 'AANGIRFAN' (February 2012)...

The BBC stopped an investigation, by Newsnight, into allegations that BBC TV entertainer Sir Jimmy Savile sexually abused a teenage girl at the BBC's Television Centre.

BBC shelved Jimmy Savile sex abuse investigation 'to protect its own reputation'

A woman told Newsnight that Savile molested her when she was 14 or 15.

Newsnight found several women who said that Savile groomed and abused teenagers.

Newsnight was told of claims that two other TV celebrities, still alive, sexually abused girls at Television Centre in the 1970s.

The BBC bosses ordered that the investigation be dropped.

All of the women making the allegations were former pupils of Duncroft Approved School in Staines, Surrey.

Two claimed that Savile gave them money in return for sex.

Savile was a regular visitor to this school.

Savile was a regular visitor to a number of institutions such as one on the 'child-abuse island' of Jersey where children were allegedly tortured and murdered.

In 2007, Surrey Police received a complaint from a woman who said she was sexually assaulted by Savile at Duncroft in the 1970s.

The allegation was investigated but no further action was taken.

Allegedly Jimmy Saville supplied kids to top people such as prime minister Ted Heath.

Allegedly, UK Prime Minister Edward Heath "would regularly take boys from certain care homes away on his boat for weekends....

"The name 'Mr. Eddy' was well known on Hampstead Heath and the boys home nearby in the seventies."

"ALLEGEDLY... the person bringing children for him to abuse was Sir Jimmy Savile.

"He was seen by the witness, victim, taking young boys onboard Heaths yacht the Morning Cloud when they were at party conference.

"Saville is known for supplying a number of high profile MP’s with children for them to sexually abuse."




Then of course, when claims were made of sexual abuse at Jersey children’s home 'Haut de la Garenne', Savile denied ever having visited it. But then, a picture cropped up of him visiting the home...



An article in the 'Sun' newspaper was going to be published linking Savile to the abuses, but then the former Radio1 DJ threatened legal action. Taken from 'TheLawyer.com' (March 17th 2008)...

Jimmy Savile turns to Fox Hayes for action against The Sun
Leeds-based firm Fox Hayes has commenced legal action against The Sun newspaper on behalf of TV personality Jimmy Savile.

Savile, the star of children’s television favourite Jim’ll Fix It, decided to start proceedings against the Rupert Murdoch paper after a series of articles linked the former Radio One DJ with Jersey children’s home Haut de la Garenne.

The police are currently investigating the care home after human remains were found at the residence where children were allegedly tortured and sexually abused.

On 1 March, Savile’s solicitors said, The Sun carried a photograph of the former Top of the Pops presenter allegedly visiting the Jersey home.

This was followed with a series of articles. One asserted that Savile was unwilling to assist with the police investigation and another that he admitted having visited the home. The Sun also criticised Savile for being unprepared to “go some way to fixing it for the victims”.

Last week (14 March), Savile said the entire coverage linking him with the events at the children’s home was repugnant.

“I feel as though I have been subjected to a long and drawn out mugging by The Sun newspaper. The only difference is that its journalists do not wear hoodies,” said Savile.

Fox Hayes, which has instructed barrister Jonathan Crystal of Cloisters, added that Savile has no connection to the events that have taken place at the Jersey children’s home and has no information that might assist the authorities.

A spokesman for the firm said: “He has no recollection of visiting the home over 30 years ago and any such visit would have been unexceptional. Connecting Sir James to events at the home has caused him severe embarrassment and upset.

“The reported events are the antithesis of everything Sir James has worked tirelessly to prevent.”

http://www.thelawyer.com/jimmy-sa...on-against-the-sun/131780.article



Again... from 'AANGIRFAN'...

In 1988, Jimmy Savile "was named as the head of a new task force charged with turning around Broadmoor, Britain’s most notorious high-security psychiatric hospital, home to Ronnie Kray and Peter Sutcliffe.



Taken from 'The Sun' (March 30th 2009)...

A MAN with a familiar neatly-trimmed beard reaches out to shake the hand of boxing hero Frank Bruno.
It is a unique and amazing picture... for the man in the gaudy tracksuit is Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe.

He was introduced to Bruno in Broadmoor by cigar-chomping TV star Sir Jimmy Savile, who became friends with the mass murderer while doing voluntary work at the top-security hospital.

The photo is the only informal snap of Sutcliffe taken since he was locked up in 1981. It shows him relaxed and smiling as he grabs Bruno’s giant fist.

The encounter happened when Bruno opened a new gym at Broadmoor as a favour for a pal.

He met gangland villain Ronnie Kray, a boxing fan, on Henley Ward, where the most dangerous and notorious patients were housed. Then Sir Jimmy introduced him to Sutcliffe.

The meeting took place in 1991 during Bruno’s yo-yo ring career.

He had recently been beaten by Tim Witherspoon and Mike Tyson but went on to take the WBC world heavyweight title in 1995.

Bruno, now 47, later had to battle his own mental health problems, fuelled by cocaine abuse.




Full story here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2270180.ece





On the subject of the Kray twins... 'AANGIRFAN' again....

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2...twins-boys-top-people-sex-in.html


According to 'Wikipedia' Savile " did not own a computer, explaining that he did not want anybody to think that he was downloading child pornography." Honoured with a knighthood and OBE, he was also a Knight of Malta.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile


And as for his 'high contacts'?...

Taken from 'The Express' (May 8th 2008)...

Youngest of seven children, ex-coal miner, dance hall man­ager, presenter of the first and last editions of Top Of The Pops, host of one of the BBC’s most popular programmes of the Seventies and Eighties, veteran marathon runner and indefati­gable money-raiser for a fleet of charities… that much we have always known about Sir Jimmy.

But counsellor to warring royals? Adviser to the Israeli cabinet? Personal fixer to the Pope? Intimate companion to Margaret and Denis Thatcher?

“The thing about me is I get things done and I work deep cover,” Sir Jimmy, 81, tells Esquire. “I’ve known the Royal Family for a million years.”

He was first introduced to the Royal Family, he reveals, by Lord Mountbatten. In 1966, Jimmy became the first civilian to be awarded a Royal Marines’ green beret. Mountbatten was comm­and­ant general at the time and realised that Savile could be a useful contact.

“Coming from Lord Louis, who was the favourite uncle of Prince Philip, that was quite something,” he says. “So obviously I hooked up with the Prince – what was good enough for Lord Louis was good enough for him.”

He claims that he spent 11 consecutive Christmases with the Thatchers at Chequers. He says of the former premier: “I knew the real woman and the real woman was something else. The times I spent up there – Denis, me and her, shoes off in front of the fire. There was no conversation really.” He says he is no longer in touch because Lady Thatcher is now too infirm but that he still sees her daughter Carol “off and on”.

But his strangest stroke of apparent influence was when he met the Israeli president on his first visit to Jerusalem in 1975.

“I’m very disappointed be-cause you’ve all forgotten how to be Jewish and that’s why everyone is taking you to the cleaners,” Sir Jimmy told him.

“You won the Six Day War, you took all that land, you gave it all back, including the only oil well in the area, and now you’re paying the Egyptians for the oil you already had.”

He says the president asked him to come and say the same thing to the cabinet, which he duly did. “They asked my opinion about a couple of things, to which I said, ‘Nothing’s impossible’. They did exactly what I suggested and it worked out 100 per cent successful.”

Strange, but possible. And if it really is true, Sir Jimmy might be justified in asking: How’s about that then?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/43798



'AAGIRFAN'....

"In the 1960′s ,The former Radio 1 DJ Alan ‘Fluff’ Freeman owned a large corner shop on the Lea Bridge Rd in London.

"This shop has recently been reported as a place where ‘Fluff’ held kinky parties ,attended by the likes of confirmed bachelor Sir Jimmy Saville , Jonathen King, the once jailed paedophile broadcaster & former pop star and Brian Epstein, who was at the time the Homosexual manager of the Beatles.

At these parties , young boys , specially brought over from several childrens homes would be plied with drugs and alcohol.

"However these parties were forced to come to an end when Police chiefs got wind that the MP & Ex Liberal Party leader Jeremy Thorpe was attending them along with several other prominent MP’s...

"Edward Heath, Prime Minister of England from 1970-74... was a frequent visitor to the Haute Garrene childrens care home on Jersey."






Full article here:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/jimmy-savile-and-boys.html



Of course Jonathan King was a music impresario ('discovered' Genesis), record producer, recording artist and former 'Top of the Pops' presenter jailed for paedophilia. Taken from 'Wiki'...

King was arrested in November 2000 after a man approached Max Clifford, a British publicist, with allegations about other men. He was released on £150,000 bail, £50,000 of it put up by Simon Cowell, the impresario, and was re-arrested, after the media publicity, in January 2001. He was tried in September 2001 and received a seven-year sentence for six offences against five boys aged 14–16 committed between 1983 and 1989. He was acquitted on all charges in a second case against him when a witness, whom King maintained he had never met, said that he had consented to sex and had been older at the time than he had initially told police.
Several commentators felt the prosecution was unfair, among them Charles Shaar Murray, Howard Jacobson, Lynn Barber, Richard Stott and Danny Hammill. King maintained his innocence, protesting that there was no statute of limitations for sex offences, which he said meant he had been unable to defend himself adequately because of the length of time that had passed; that there was no requirement to corroborate the allegations; and that the complainants were allowed to maintain their anonymity. He sought leave to appeal, which was refused in January 2003, and was released on parole in March 2005.
He continues to protest his innocence.
In January 2006 the BBC reported that the Criminal Cases Review Commission had agreed to examine his case. King argued that he was in New York in September 1985 when one of the incidents is alleged to have taken place in King's home in London. He said he had not presented this evidence at his trial because the date of the alleged offences on the charge sheet had been changed after he had completed his defense.
In 2008 it was reported that the European Court of Human Rights was considering his application for an appeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_King



Cowell "put up" £50,000 for the bail money?... Mmmmm.

Any way....

Re; Brian Epstein... Jonathan King has talked about his friendship with the one-time Beatles manager - whose death from an 'accidental overdose' in 1967 has always been open to question. Some close to him believe he was murdered...


Link


In 2008, King released the film 'Vile Pervert: The Musical'. According to 'Wiki'...

In the film King plays all of the 21 different character roles, many of which are based on real-life personalities from King's own life, most noticeably throughout his arrest and legal trial as part of Surrey Police's Operation Arundel, targeting suspected perpetrators of alleged crimes spanning back several decades.
King's trial could be said to have been led by the media with the tabloid press, once home to King's journalism, taking delight in exposing his apparent illegal behaviour and appearing to have influence over the trial.
Thus Vile Pervert: The Musical is King's version of events and his comment on the various events that resulted in his arrest and what he considers to be various injustices in the way his case was handled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_Pervert:_The_Musical


Here's a song from it... make of it what you will  Shocked ...

Jonathan King as Oscar: Wilde About Boys

Link



Another jailed former Radio1 DJ was Chris Denning.



According to 'Wiki'...

His career was effectively over when he was revealed as a paedophile, and he has spent three decades in and out of prison in Britain and Eastern Europe. He is currently serving a five-year term in a Slovakian prison for child sex offences.

Denning's first conviction for gross indecency and indecent assault was in 1974, when he was convicted at the Old Bailey. In 1985 he was imprisoned for 18 months for gross indecency with a child, and again in 1988 when he was jailed for three years for indecent assault on a 13 year old boy and possession of indecent photographs. In March 1996 he was imprisoned again for 10 weeks for publishing indecent photographs.
Denning was part of a group of child sex offenders based around a disco for young people in Walton-on-Thames, Surrey. Other well-known participants included Tam Paton, manager of the Bay City Rollers, and Jonathan King. All became targets of Surrey Police's Operation Arundel that focused on sex offenders based at the Walton Hop, which ultimately led to convictions against King and Denning (who was extradited from the Czech Republic to face charges), and at least one other man.

In 2008 he was extradited back out of Britain (where he had served two years of a further four year sentence) and jailed in October for five years by a court in Slovakia, where he had been living prior to his extradition to Britain, on charges of producing child pornography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Denning


It isn't only the Bay City Roller's manager who has been jailed on child-related charges, but a member of the band too... 'Wiki' again...

Derek Longmuir was the Scottish drummer and a founding member of the 1970s pop group, Bay City Rollers. In 2000, Longmuir was sentenced to 300 hours community service after admitting possessing child pornography. Due to the controversy, he was fired from his job at the Infirmary although he was later re-admitted to the nursing register. Despite his guilty plea, he maintained that the offending materials did not belong to him, but were left behind by an acquaintance. Longmuir claimed he pleaded guilty in hope of avoiding a "media circus".
In an interview in the Sunday Herald on 7 May 2000, Longmuir's foster son, Jorge Loureiro, claimed that Longmuir was innocent, and had been framed by an obsessed American fan he had befriended, with discs having been sent to his home anonymously days before he was arrested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Longmuir


Some years ago, I remember watching a Channel 4 documentary about the group of child sex offenders who esconsed themselves at the kids' disco in Surrey. A very informative (interesting) programme. As I recall, what the DJs (the ones who were later arrested) would do was coax the youngsters into sex by promising they could make them famous singers or radio DJs and arrange for them to meet Pop stars and celebrities. I've tried to find this documentary on the internet, but, no luck. I can't even remember what it was called.
An interesting fact that came from the documentary was that the so-called 'Punk era' 1979 hit 'Hersham Boys' by Sham69 was written about that disco because one of the members of the band used to attend it (and... if I'm not mistaken, was even 'approached'. He said he turned them down). Hersham - is of course - in Surrey  Smilie_PDT .
Indeed... according to 'Wiki', founder-member Jimmy Pursey...

was a regular attendee at the local disco, the 'Walton Hop' at the Playhouse theatre, where he met Jonathan King.[2] Pursey claimed that he began performing after taking the stage as a drunk fourteen year old at the disco and miming to Bay City Rollers and Rolling Stones songs (miming contests were a regular event at the Hop).


The lyrics to 'Hersham Boys'...

Robin Hood, Robin Hood here we are again

Living each day outside the law
Trying not to do what we did before
Country slag with the Bow Bell voice
So close to the city we ain't got much choice

Council estates or tower blocks
Wherever you live you get the knocks
But the people round here they are so nice
Stop being naughty take our advice

Hersham boys, Hersham boys
Lace up boots and corduroys
Hersham boys, Hersham boys
They call us the Cockney cowboys

It's down to the hop for the local girls
The're not beauty queens but they're our pearls
But when you go to bed tonight
Don't worry about us, we're alright

Hersham boys, Hersham boys
Lace up boots and corduroys
Hersham boys, Hersham boys
They call us the Cockney cowboys

?
?

That's right guvnor Jack the lad
Know what I mean, eh
Know what I mean

Hersham boys, Hersham boys
Lace up boots and corduroys
Hersham boys, Hersham boys
They call us the Cockney cowbo

http://www.lyricstime.com/sham-69-hersham-boys-lyrics.html


Link


Any way... I tried to find out more about 'Hersham Boys' and Jimmy Pursey, and - yes - it was he who attended the Hops:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2001/dec/01/weekend.jonronson


However... during my search, I wasn't expecting to see this...

Taken from 'Subcultz.com' (March 29th 2012)...

Punks Planned Performance Prompts Protest
Protect Our Children has challenged the planned visit of a British sex offender scheduled to perform at a concert in May.  Jimmy Pursey, a member of the Punk group “Sham 69″, is slated to appear May 25th, at a music festival called “Punk Rock Bowling 2012″, in Las Vegas, Nevada.

In 2002, Pursey received a “Caution” from police in Weybridge, U.K., for committing an Indecent Assault on a teenaged girl.  The British “Caution”, which has no corollary in the U.S., allows offenders to avoid trial if they agree to admit guilt and register with the police.  They are also listed on the United Kingdom’s “Registry of Sexual and Violent Offenders”.

Correspondence sent to John Morton, Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.), renewed the group’s objection to the practice of granting visas to foreign nationals who have been registered as Sex Offenders in their homelands.  The March 14th letter calls the practice “a slap in the face” to victims of sexual abuse.

In a response dated March 26, Deputy Director Peter T. Edge, said the Department of Homeland Security takes the allegations seriously, and has forwarded the information to the D.H.S. field office.

In 2010, the Brevard County charity joined other child-advocacy organizations in protesting Pete Townshend’s performance at the SuperBowl in Miami.  The group, which informs local citizens about convicted child molesters, mailed a sex offender advisory to residents living in the vicinity of the stadium in Miami Gardens.

Immigration officials were also notified that permitting foreign sex offenders to enter the U.S., is in conflict, with the “Moral Turpitude” clause, found in American immigration law.  Townshend, a member of the British rock band: The WHO, received a Caution in 1983 after his arrest for paying to access child pornography.

SHAM 69

OFFICIAL STATEMENT:
OFFICIAL SHAM 69 STATEMENTA DISCLAIMER... WE, THE OFFICIAL SHAM 69, WISH TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING DISCLAIMER STATEMENT:THIS IS DUE TO THE PERSISTENT EMAILS FROM BOTH FANS, MEMBERS OF THE UK/INTERNATIONAL PRESS, AND STATEMENTS MADE VIA SOCIAL NETWORK SITES REGARDING AN INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE INVOLVING JAMES TIMOTHY PURSEY (AKA JIMMY PURSEY) BEING ARRESTED FOR INDECENTLY ASSAULTING AN UNDER AGE GIRL.
THIS INCIDENT DID TAKE PLACE, THE GIRL WAS UNDERAGE, THEREFORE LEGALLY A MINOR, AND SUFFERED TRAUMA AS A RESULT WITH LIFE LONG CONSEQUENCES NO DOUBT.
THIS BAND FULLY AND UTTERLY CONDEMNS SUCH BEHAVIOUR AND WISHES TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT JIMMY PURSEY IS NOT PART OF THE OFFICIAL SHAM 69 LINEUP IN ANY WAY. WE ALSO WISH TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT HE IS NOT PART OF THE STAFF OR ANY SUBSIDIARY OF THIS BAND.
ALONG WITH MANY FANS, BE THEY PUNKS, SKINS OR WHATEVER, WE TOO HAVE KIDS OF OUR OWN AND SOME HAVE GRAND KIDS TOO. AS SUCH WE DO NOT TREAT THIS AS A LIGHT HEARTED MISTAKE AND NEITHER DID THE GIRL’S PARENTS, ADDITIONALLY NEITHER WOULD YOU IF IT WAS YOUR CHILD OR FAMILY MEMBER.
THIS GIRL WAS A MINOR, AND THOUGH SOME PEOPLE MAY BRUSH THIS OFF WITH A BLIND VIEW IN SUPPORT OF THIS MAN, WE WONT.
SEEING AS WE DO HAVE SOME LYRICAL CONNECTIONS HOWEVER, WE, THE OFFICIAL SHAM 69, HAVE DECIDED THAT IN RESPECT OF OUR MORAL BELIEF AND SUPPORT WE WILL MAKE A DONATION FROM EVERY SHOW WE PERFORM, BE IT UK OR WORLDWIDE, TO THE NSPCC’S CAMPAIGN AGAINST CHILD ABUSE, AND WILL DO SO UNTIL WE RETIRE AS A BAND.
SO STAY TRUE AND STRONG AND WE’LL SEE YOU DOWN THE FRONT.

http://www.subcultz.com/blog/2012/05/the-end-of-an-ego/




Any way. Apologies for the long post. Originally, I was going to post the news-story, a few comments about the Channel 4 documentary and some links, but then I realised how big this all actually was... worth posting(?).

I don't know how many of the allegations are true, but there's certainly a lot of smoke. All of this is despicable. People preying on kids and - to some extent - getting away with it (and living a life of wealth, luxury and fame to boot).
direk

woah synchronistic timing there angry.i spent a good few hours on friday night revisiting this subject after i read this blog post in february-http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2...savile-and-child-abuse-cover.html

he's just posted this one tonight as well(i've not read it yet)
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2...pplier-of-kids-to-top-people.html

here's a couple of good links i followed from that blog(WARNING!!there is some really nasty stuff in some of these,i intentionally stopped reading a couple of the more graphic descriptions of abuse.i felt all i would gain from reading these details would be personal subconcious phsycological harm!!) :

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/wikileaks-on-dutroux.html

The reality of protected child abuse and snuff networkshttp://news.branyvnimani.cz/?article_id=9895

cheers AH i've not actually read your post fully yet as i was just going to bed when i noticed it but i'll read later on.
direk

oops!
just skimmed through your post and i think i've posted some of the same links!(same blog!!).
sorry everyone bit tired !! Embarassed
under no illusion

Thanks for piecing that all together AH, it is really quite amazing! I've just heard about this documentary but I knew nothing of Savile's 'political' life nor his links to the serial killer!  Shocked

Great work AH!


Looks like the BBC is being exposed for covering it up too! (Good)

BBC 'buried Savile sex abuse claims to save its reputation’

The BBC shelved a Newsnight investigation into allegations that Sir Jimmy Savile sexually abused a teenage girl in his dressing room at Television Centre, it has emerged.

The woman claimed that the presenter molested her when she was 14 or 15 after inviting her to recordings of Clunk Click, his 1970s BBC family show.
Newsnight tracked down several other women who claimed that Savile used his role on the programme to groom and abuse teenage girls.
Reporters on the current affairs programme were also told of claims that two other celebrities, both still alive, sexually abused girls at Television Centre in the 1970s.
The BBC had hoped to broadcast the Newsnight report in December, two months after Savile’s death, but bosses ordered that the investigation be dropped.
Instead, the corporation screened two tribute programmes celebrating Savile’s lengthy BBC career as presenter of Jim’ll Fix It and Top of the Pops, and also as a Radio 1 DJ.

The BBC now stands accused of covering up the allegations, which were detailed in The Oldie magazine, because senior executives did not want the corporation’s reputation to be tarnished.
A BBC News source said: “The extreme nature of the claims about Savile meant that the Newsnight report was going to seriously compromise the lavish BBC tributes scheduled to run later the same month.
“And second, the allegations directly involved the BBC, in that the woman who gave the interview said that she and others were abused by Savile on BBC premises.”
All of the women making the allegations were former pupils of Duncroft Approved School in Staines, Surrey, where Savile was a regular visitor.
Two claimed that Savile took them for drives in his car and rewarded them with gifts of cigarettes, records, money and places in the Clunk Click studio audience in return for “sexual favours”.
In 2007, Surrey Police received a complaint from a woman who said she was indecently assaulted by Savile at Duncroft in the 1970s. The allegation was investigated but no further action was taken.
Neither Surrey Police nor the Metropolitan Police have been contacted by the BBC regarding the fresh allegations.
A Newsnight spokesman refused to answer any questions about the report or to deny that Helen Boaden, the corporation’s news chief, was personally involved in the decision to kill it. “Any suggestion that a story was dropped for anything other than editorial reasons is completely untrue,” the spokesman said.
“The BBC gathers information on hundreds of stories and not all make it to air. In this case the angle we were pursuing could not be substantiated.”
Mark Thompson, the BBC director-general, knew that the Newsnight team were working on the story but is understood to have played no part in the decision to shelve it.
Sources said that he was made aware of the investigation shortly before it was dropped, “but it was mentioned in passing at a social function and he was in no way involved in the decision to drop it”.
Savile died in October, aged 84, after a career of broadcasting and charity campaigning. The flamboyant star was one of the BBC’s most recognisable faces. He hosted the first edition of Top of the Pops in 1964 and the last in 2006.
In the early 1970s, he promoted the use of seatbelts with a campaign that used the “Clunk click every trip” slogan. The BBC retained the name for Savile’s first solo television series, which ran from 1973-74 and was a forerunner to Jim’ll Fix It. The Saturday tea-time show featured a mix of music and celebrity chat.
At the time of Savile’s death, Mr Thompson said on behalf of the BBC: “From Top Of The Pops to Jim’ll Fix It, Jimmy’s unique style entertained generations of BBC audiences. Like millions of viewers and listeners we shall miss him greatly.”

FROM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cultur...laims-to-save-its-reputation.html
under no illusion

(...also in the Bruno pic,... knuckle handshake's look so unnatural)  faroah
nairda

I first heard about this here;

http://www.davidicke.com/headline...a-showman-jimmy-saville-1926-2011

The above post seems to tie this all together.  Great work, perhaps the tide is turning...
Judex

No question Jimmy Saville has been the subject of much rumour.Recently read the infamous "Dianna-Her True Story" for the first time.It's revealed that Dianna used Saville as an intermediary during particularly rough periods in her marridge.The authour states that this was a role Jimmy Saville played fairly regularly as he enjoyed a close relationship in royal circles.

Of course the music industry is alledged to be rife with this behaviour-a recent Clash biog saw one of their entourage speaking of a notorious CBS record executive,while he also pointed the finger at Kenny Everet as being involved in sinister activities.Of course there will be plenty of "open secrets" in the music industry concerning what some figures were involved in-until there is definite evidence its unfair make a judgement.
Angryhead

Hello, "J"...

Kenny Everett's a hero of mine. When it came to radio, the guy was a genius (in the TRUE sense of the word). He was 'The Beatles of radio DJs.' Unfortunately, I was too young to enjoy his talents when he was on Radio 1 (actually... any one here remember him on that station? Any memories... pleeease?) But - yes - I learnt a long time ago now that many of the people we admired and looked up to might have hidden dark secrets (part of 'The Awakening' process I s'pose). Kenny was homosexual, but like many famous British men during the 1970s - he hid it from the public, even though the public probably sensed something all along. Another prime example, was Freddie Mercury (... I love Queen too... got all their albums!). Both men married women even though they found men attractive. I suppose that was the way it was back then? Funnily enough, there are links (via boyfriends) that connect Mercury and Everett. Their personal lives did intertwine quite closely. So... did they both catch AIDS from the same man? It's something that's been discussed many times. Even their nearests & dearests wonder.
A particular Russian 'hunk' is always implicated when questions arise as to how they might have both ended up meeting the same fate...

When Kenny Everett Met Freddie Mercury
Contributors include Freddie Mercury’s close friends and his ex-girlfriend Mary Austen, as well as Kenny Everett’s wife Lee Everett- Alkin, Paul Gambaccini and Bob Harris. It also includes previously unseen footage of Freddy donated by long-term partner Jim Hutton.
http://blackwatchmedia.net/index....nny-everett-met-freddie-mercury-/



First screened on Channel 4 a few years back... here's the full version (of the link above)...

When Freddie Mercury Met Kenny Everett - Part 1

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Part 2

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Part 3

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Part 4

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Part 5

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Part 6

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Any way... Apparently there's going to be a documentary about the Jimmy Saville accusations this Wednesday night on ITV (October 3rd). A few names are being mentioned now - including Esther Rantzen ---- the same woman who stood as an MP a few years back on the 'Childrens' Rights' ticket and declined (or refused?) to investigate or publicise the Holly Grieg case when the Alternative community approached her. Now - all of a sudden - she courts the media and sheds tears.... HMmmmmmmmm....

Taken from 'MailOnline' (September 29th 2012)...

'We colluded with Jimmy Savile as a child abuser': Esther Rantzen sensationally claims people in TV 'blocked our ears' to rumours
Esther Rantzen has told how some in broadcasting ‘blocked our ears’ to claims about Jimmy Savile made during his career.
In an emotional interview after viewing the ITV documentary, the broadcaster and Childline founder told The Mail on Sunday: ‘I feel that we in television, in his world, in some way colluded with him as a child abuser – because I now believe that’s what he was. We all blocked our ears. There was gossip, there were rumours.
‘It’s very distressing. We made him into the Jimmy Savile who was untouchable, who nobody could criticise. He was a sort of god-like figure. Everybody knew of the good that Jimmy did and what he did for children. And these children were powerless.

‘What these women say is so matter of fact, they corroborate each other. The style of the abuse and the attack on them was consistent one with each other. I’m afraid the jury isn’t out any more and what upsets me so much is that not one of these children could ask for help. The abuse of power was as great as the sexual abuse.’

A BBC spokesman said it had found no record of ‘misconduct or allegations of misconduct’ by Savile during his time at the BBC.
The explosive 55-minute ITV documentary titled In Exposure: The Other Side Of Jimmy Savile will be screened on Wednesday.

The four women featured, now all middle-aged, offer compelling accounts of how they were groomed by Savile for sex when they were teenagers.
The documentary also features damning contributions from former BBC production staff who reveal that the star’s predatory behaviour with girls as young as 12 was an open secret. And a child protection expert who investigated the claims for ITV tells the programme he is convinced Savile, who died last year, would face arrest if still alive.
Singer Coleen Nolan, who does not appear in the ITV programme, revealed four years ago that she was horrified when Savile intimately cuddled her in 1979 on Top Of The Pops when she was 14. She said: ‘He was all over me. I could see my sisters glaring, “You touch her and we’ ll kill you!” – and they would have done.’
Mark Williams-Thomas, who for 12 years was a detective and child protection officer, spent a year talking to Savile’s former victims.
He told The Mail on Sunday: ‘They were in awe of an individual who could give them a great number of benefits, and so the abuse could go on and on unchecked.

'The women thought no one would believe them then, and even now they are terrified of the potential backlash from his fans and from his estate. But I have no doubt that on the evidence I have gathered, if Savile was still alive I would be banging on his door to get him nicked.’
Mr Williams-Thomas was a child protection officer with Surrey Police and worked on the prosecution of pop impresario Jonathan King on charges of sex with underage boys.
Since leaving the police, he has become a consultant on child protection and fronted the ITV documentary To Catch A Paedophile.
He said: ‘Early last year I was asked by a contact if I was aware of allegations that had circulated for years about Savile and young girls and if I knew of an investigation into a complaint made to Surrey police in 2007.

‘When Savile died, I began an investigation and was put in contact with several women who alleged they had been abused by him.’
The shocking conclusion of his investigation is that Savile, who was the face of Top Of The Pops for three decades as well as Jim’ll Fix It, groomed girls as young as 12 for sex.
Savile’s victims tell strikingly similar stories in the documentary, which is to be screened at 11pm – two hours after the watershed.
Until his death at 84, Savile was seen as an outlandish but avuncular star who loved tracksuits and ostentatious jewellery. But despite his tireless charity work, he never escaped dark rumours about his lifestyle. The ITV investigation makes concrete allegations for the first time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...d-Jimmy-Saville-child-abuser.html
Carlisa

Sterling AH Smilie_PDT


Pity the man’s dead(that probably is the point, they can have a dumbed down purge), he had a big mouth would have dragged a ‘LOT’ of people down with him, of course if he was guilty.

And if he was,, those at the receiving end of the abuse should be just as angry to be made pawns in this theatrical muppet monologue and probably one of the worst, dire eulogies to a man whom was celebrated as a saint by the Establishment and Corporation right up until Post Mortem!

And Esther Rants on, what a fecking fake, I don’t buy her dead pan gaze(seems contrived) at the camera and try to purvey sincerity bollox, score is, surely it is beyond reproach to set yourself up as a child loving/saving iCON and ambassador to children and purveyed that ‘adults silence in instances of knowing the existence of child abuse is a sin’ and how children should have the confidence to tell someone of their suffering and all the while she is a Number one perpetraitor of keeping dirty little secrets that harm the very fabric of the cloth she has woven!  

And all because He had influence, one of the most used excuses in the world is influence; ‘Well he was the head teacher, the priest, a copper, Scout leader, a pillar of the community’, she knew that old chestnut more than most peoples and dredged it up to the enf degree in regards to bandstanding on her pedestal and for what and is now going to justify her silence by using that tired cliché, “He knew everybody, he had influence”!

Thus why does “SHE” purportedly spend a lifetime campaigning to give children a voice and turn her back the minute her livelihood is threatened, unfucking believable(and to know the nation sucked the teet of ‘That’s life’ believing it as some sort of maternal figure lighting the way through the gloom and injustice)!  

(Crazy thought)-  Hey would not something like childline be the perfect tool to meter how well a societal subversion is working or even worse still, to procure already vulnerable children and the sickos who perpetrate against them for whatever nastiness!

Yeh I know absolute diabolical thought, but after IRC raising the issue about them government type German brochures on how all good fathers should stimulate their 3 years olds clitoris and my experience of this untouchable paedophile over here my thoughts do tend to skim the gutter in regards to how I feel about these people that are steering society!


Let's have a proper purge, sack 'em all, strip them of title and wealth, let the fuckers know that their silence for the preservation of their own selfish material status is no excuse!

Right stop there before I cross the line, may have already?
Mad
under no illusion

I hope this documentary open's a can of worms tonight that they can't put back in!

There must still be people accountable for enabling him & they need to be brought out into the light!

The general public, although they put up with an awful lot, wont put up with this!
Carlisa

Hi



Taken from the Morning Star

“”Esther Rantzen Admits she knew about the Jimmy Saville rumours!
Childline founder Esther Rantzen, a BBC broadcaster and long-time campaigner against child abuse, has admitted she had heard rumours about the behaviour of flamboyant entertainer Jimmy Savile.
Ms Rantzen, who appears in an ITV documentary tonight which claims Sir Jimmy sexually abused schoolgirls as young as 12, said: "There were always rumours that he behaved very inappropriately, sexually, with children."

She said: "For the first time there's more than one single child complaining.

"There are five adult women producing very similar statements about the way they were attacked."

Her comment underlines a whole series of questions being posed this week as observers ask how much BBC bosses knew of the star's behaviour and what action they should have taken to investigate.””

The rest here;
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/124606


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As you probably could guess I’m not convinced this is going to be a proper purge, the informed people whom are informed by mainstream are just going to except anything they project at them and believe justice is done, just like all the other inquiries, woo hoo another victory for freedom?

If the clip of Esther Rantsen is the one I saw the other day, watch intently, something did not gel with me.  She gets asked a question something like, ‘why did no one in the industry come forward’ don’t take my words for exact because you may miss the scene.  The camera keeps rolling while there is an inordinate pause, before She then shifts her posture as if to set herself, a little fidget then the concentration on the face, then it’s almost as you look into her eyes you see the wheels turning as if she is priming herself in her mind to project a mix of empathy and may be a tear, then it’s almost a lights go on kind of moment as if she connects with how in her mind she should convey the response before the switch is flipped and the gaze is then fixed then she responds, seems totally inorganic to me , like a bad actor.  
Put yourself in the same situation you campaigned and fought for decades on behalf of children, you have a solid reputation that’s on the verge of freefall,, if you’re coming with real empathy and a whole heap of guilt(as you should do) ask yourself, ‘could you be that measured’, or would you totally lose it and be absolutely beyond consolation?

They would have to bleep me,, the thorough arse kicking I would be giving myself(understatement), that would be something that would scar me for life, you set yourself up and assume a role as some saintly saviour of children, you hear not one but rumours plural, you don’t brush it off, turn a blind a eye, you turn over every stone get to the truth and exorcise the demons!
I hope the wages are plenty enough to anaesthetize the bad conscience!

And secondly a slight contradiction about how many children came forward at the time, she states one yet the rumours/anecdotes she regales seemingly relate to more than one child?

I had another point in regards to Rantzen and it’s gone, I’m sure it was a good one and all!

Anyway if this was a proper purging the program would be about how paedophilia being rife throughout our stately institutions, do you think?


And in mainstream entertainment nowadays paedophile gags are in vogue, so it would appear empathy has a shelf life!

Still I suppose you have to keep some thread of hope, otherwise they win!



Smilie_PDT



Edit-  Sorry Uni I just read through sounds slightly like a rant toward you as I've taken on some of your points. Nothing could be further Embarassed
under no illusion

Silences and cover-ups: is Jimmy Savile’s past finally catching up with him?


For decades, Jimmy Savile enjoyed national treasure status, respected and adored by millions. As accusations emerge of a long history of abuse, Robin Whitlock reports on the shocking trail of evidence that had remained ignored for years, and asks why so many, including within the BBC hierarchy, seemingly colluded in covering it up.


Most of us in adulthood should know who Jimmy Savile was, he could hardly be missed. Even those who are too young to remember his radio shows and his very popular TV show Jim’ll Fix It, based around the premise of making dreams come true for young and old alike, could scarcely miss the flamboyant eccentricity of the man whenever he was featured on TV. Such appearances were, of course, still a regular occurrence even when he was past his prime largely due to his work for charity, his support for Stoke Mandeville Hospital in particular and his regular participation in the London Marathon.

None of us would have dared to think that this man, who was a cultural hero to many, would have been capable of vile crimes against young women. However, this is exactly the nature of the allegations that are increasingly starting to emerge into the public arena. Far from being the product of star-seeking predators keen to make money, fame and fortune, they are instead very plausible accounts from women whose trust and adoration of a man who seemed to be a friend of everybody, was so cruelly betrayed.

The main objection from those who would seek to defend Savile is perfectly legitimate. Sir Jimmy is now dead and is therefore hardly in a position to defend himself against such accusations. Nevertheless, this is not and should not be any real defence should the claims of the ‘victims’ prove to be true. I have to say though that I am already convinced, there is a wealth of information available, and much of it is indeed convincing.

Of course, neither I nor anyone else is yet in a position to state categorically that Savile was indeed a child molester, but we can examine the evidence and make an informed opinion. This then is an examination of the evidence that is available to the public so far, including some of the darker stories. “Speculation!” you might cry; maybe, but these voices still demand to be heard and considered; particularly given the capacity for deep trauma and damage to the victims should they be corroborated.

What we know so far is this. In late 2011 journalists working for the BBC’s Newsnight programme who had nearly finished putting together a documentary film concerning various allegations of child abuse against Jimmy Savile were suddenly told by editors that the piece would not be broadcast. Instead, the BBC chose to show a number of programmes celebrating the life of the celebrity. However, rather than the perhaps naive expectation that the accusations would go away and remain in the shadows, the story emerged again when ITV decided to pick it up. The resulting documentary will be shown on tomorrow (Wednesday) night, well after the 9pm watershed. The full contents of the programme therefore remain to be seen, but some of the content has already leaked out into the wider press.

In total, the Newsnight  journalists interviewed ten people who claimed they were either abused by Savile when they were younger or were present as witnesses. The ITV documentary rests on the testimony of five women, some of whom were pupils of Duncroft Approved School near Staines which Savile visited regularly during the 1970s. Others encountered Savile elsewhere.

The material for the programme is based on research gathered by former detective Mark Williams-Thomas who was an adviser to the Newsnight team. The investigation began shortly after Savile died in October 2011 aged 84. One of the victims agreed to be filmed directly, but the others preferred to remain anonymous.

Fiona says she was abused at the BBC television centre when she had visited the studios with other girls from Duncroft School in the 1970s. She says of the visit: “we knew what was expected of us, we had to pay. He had an alcove in his dressing room that had a curtain over it and he would take you behind the curtain. He always touched my breasts but at the same time he would be touching my breasts he’d always have his hands down my knickers. There were no staff around in the room, just the girls in there and one or two other people so I suppose the privacy we got was from the curtain in the alcove but, I have no doubt that he went and told everybody else what he did afterwards.”

Sue Thompson worked at the BBC in Leeds as a newsroom assistant. One day in 1978 she encountered Savile fondling a 14-year old girl who was sat on his lap. “He had his left arm up her skirt and he was kissing her” she said.

Another woman claims she was raped by Savile at the age of 14 in his dressing room at BBC Television Centre in 1974 which she says was the first of “dozens” of such incidents. Other women claim that Savile would give them cigarettes and tickets to shows if they performed sex acts on him in his car.

One woman said that Savile attacked her at the age of 14 after watching her perform in a choir at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in 1973. “After the concert, I ran up to him to let him know I was the one who had sent him a letter about the choir” she recalls “Before I knew what had happened he’d stuck his tongue into my mouth.”

Deborah Cogger was also attacked by Savile when she was 14. “He pulled me back and I landed on his lap” she said. “That vile tongue, tasting of cigars, went right down my throat. He was a bad, bad man.”

A former producer of Savile’s radio show Teen Scene, Wilfred De’Ath, said that one night he encountered Savile with a very young girl who he judged to be about twelve. “Where did you pick her up?” he asked. “Top of the Pops” Savile replied. De’Ath asked him if that was his ‘happy hunting ground’ to which Savile replied “yes”. Manchester local newspaper reporter Alan Leeke was with Saville on another occasion when a young girl arrived. Savile took her into another room for about ten minutes before emerging and washing himself off.

Singer Coleen Nolan of the famous Nolan Sisters found herself being groped by Savile on Top of the Pops much to the distaste of her sisters, who of course were watching in the studio at the time. “He was all over me” she said in a documentary about the group. “I could see my sisters glaring, “You touch her and we’ ll kill you!” – and they would have done.”

Are these accounts credible? Esther Rantzen, the well known founder of Childline certainly thinks so. “I feel that we in television, in his world in some way, colluded with him as a child abuser – because I now believe that’s what he was” she said on TV recently, obviously in some anguish. “We all blocked our ears to the gossip. There was gossip, there were rumours”

The TV interviewer Louis Theroux had heard the rumours, and on the basis of them he decided to interview Savile for his “When Louis Met Jimmy” documentary in 2000. It makes very un-nerving viewing to say the least.

During the programme Savile lets slip some very interesting and likewise very disturbing comments. During a late night chat with Theroux’s cameraman for instance, Savile talks of the days when he was a dancehall manager. “I wouldn’t stand for any nonsense whatsoever” Savile says. “I never threw anybody out. Tied them up and put them down in the bloody boiler house until I was ready for them.” Earlier in the programme, Theroux asks him about his passion for wrestling. “Still am” Saville replies, “feared in every girls school in Britain”, which apparently was one of his stock phrases.

Theroux also hints at something far more disturbing in a blog piece on his website, written after Savile’s death in 2011, in which he talks about ‘macabre rumours’. One of these rumours concerned an entry in Savile’s biography to the effect that “the few days he spent alone with his deceased mother’s body during her laying out was the time of his life.”[2]

Just a few lines later in the same blog, Theroux repeats the hint by saying that another of these rumours concerned Savile’s  enthusiasm for spending his “spare time volunteering as a hospital porter at Leeds General Infirmary where he was known for wheeling bodies into the morgue.”

It has also now emerged that Savile visited the infamous Haut de la Garenne care home on the island of Jersey. Savile sued The Sun in 2008 to cover this up and to prevent the publication of a photograph which allegedly shows Savile in the company of children at the care home. As a consequence the paper had to withdraw the article and the photograph, but the picture is still widely available on the net and the story, though not the picture, has been published by both The Daily Telegraph and The Daily Mail.

The CHRIS (Children Have Rights In Society) website also features a blog piece which claims that Sir Edward Heath, the former Conservative Prime Minister, used to visit the island in his boat Morning Cloud which apparently Heath’s bodyguards dubbed ‘Morning Sickness’. The story goes that Heath used to take young boys for trips on the boat. The blog piece also claims that one of the victims of Haut de la Garenne said Savile used to supply high profile MPs with children for them to abuse.

The CHRIS blog piece also claims that Savile used to hang around with Radio 1 DJ Alan Freeman who owned a large corner shop on Lea Bridge Road in London, where Freeman held parties attended by Savile and convicted paedophile Jonathan King, another former music and TV star, and that the police raided the premises when they discovered former Liberal Party leader Jeremy Thorpe also attended the parties.

Savile appeared on the hit TV show Have I Got News For You on one occasion. According to a link posted by a member of The British Comedy Guide forum, traceable to the Zetnet website, the producers had to cut a particular scene from the final programme before it was broadcast when the conversation got way out of hand:

DEAYTON: You used to be a wrestler didn’t you?
SAVILLE: I still am.
DEAYTON: Are you?
SAVILLE: I’m feared in every girls’ school in the country.
(Audience laugh)
DEAYTON: Yeah, I’ve heard about that.
SAVILLE: What have you heard?
DEAYTON: I’ve…
MERTON: Something about a c**t with a rancid, pus-filled c**k.
(Huge audience laugh; Awkward pause)
SAVILLE: I advise you to wash your mouth out, my friend…
MERTON: That’s what she had to do! (Audience laughs)
HISLOP: Weren’t you leaving money in phone boxes or something?
(Saville glares at him) Or have I got completely the wrong end of the…
SAVILLE: (To Deayton, heavily) The question you asked was about wrestling.
DEAYTON: Yes. And then you mentioned girls’ schools. I don’t know whe…
SAVILLE: Well I understood this was a comedy programme. I realise now how wrong I was. (Audience laugh)
DEAYTON: So were you a professional wrestler?
SAVILLE: Yes I was.
DEAYTON: (To audience) Glad we got that cleared up.(Pulls face; audience giggles)
HISLOP: Feared by every girls’ school in the country…
SAVILLE: That’s right.
MERTON: Due to having a rancid, pus-filled c**k.(Huge audience laugh)
DEAYTON: Erm…
HISLOP: You’re on top form tonight, Paul…

Of course, it is entirely possible that the hints of necrophilia, the possible collaboration with King and Freeman and the claims concerning trafficking boys to high profile MPs are without substance, but the fact they are being discussed on a website devoted to the protection of children’s rights means, in my view, that they at least have to be taken into serious consideration given the allegations that are now beginning to emerge and the confirmation by the Mail and the Telegraph of the stories regarding Haut de la Garenne.

But why haven’t these accounts emerged into the open before now? Why weren’t they aired while the star was still alive so that he could defend himself? The popular TV muso Paul Gambacini supplied an explanation on daytime TV yesterday. “You just didn’t mess with Jim” he said. “He was the governor, because after all he had been the first great club DJ, he had been the originator of Top Of The Pops and you just let him have his turf.”

Gambaccini said that on one occasion Saville issued a thinly-veiled threat against a tabloid newspaper intending to publish a story concerning his behaviour. “Well you could run that story” Savile told the editor, “but if you do there goes the funds that come into Stoke Mandeville. Do you want to be responsible for the drying up of the charity donations?” And so the paper backed down.

Gambaccini isn’t surprised by the allegations, in fact he said he’s been expecting them to emerge for the past thirty years.

Theroux isn’t surprised either. “I can’t say that I’m completely blindsided by these revelations” he wrote on his Facebook page. “Still, it’s shocking and upsetting to have one’s worst fears confirmed.”

There is growing anger among the BBC journalists at the intervention of Peter Rippon, Newsnight’s editor. Furthermore it has led to speculation in private about what senior BBC bosses actually know and are keeping quiet. There are growing accusations of a BBC cover-up. The BBC originally agreed to screen the film if it could be shown there had been a police investigation – it is now known that there was. This investigation took place in 2007 when Savile was interviewed by Surrey Constabulary under caution. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) however concluded that it was not in the public interest to proceed with charges against Savile. The Newsnight team were given the task of finding out why. The CPS prosecutors would only comment that they did not proceed for lack of evidence and that was enough for the BBC hierarchy to refuse to broadcast the programme.

I believe firmly that the floodgates are now well and truly open about this story and that more victims will now take heart and come forward to share their experiences of unfortunate encounters with someone who very plausibly appears to have been a most disgusting and vile individual, irrespective of his fame, power and reputation. If the claims continue to mount up and can be corroborated, it should be the duty of the BBC among others to at least launch a full investigation and possibly to issue a public apology to the victims. I also believe strongly that the government should act swiftly in such circumstances to posthumously withdraw Savile’s knighthood, OBE and what other honours he may have been given.

And who really wants to see a waxworks of such an individual at Madame Tussauds? Or even in the Chamber of Horrors for that matter? I suspect somehow we’ve only just begun to hear the truth of the matter, and that there will be more unpleasantness to come yet.




FROM: http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/si...mmy-saviles-finally-catching-him/






Jimmy Savile Statue Torn Down At Glasgow Leisure Centre After Rape Allegations


A statue of Jimmy Savile at a Glasgow Leisure Centre has been pulled down amidst allegations that the late entertainer raped and sexually abused young girls.

The operators of the leisure centre said they "felt it necessary" to remove the statue from the community centre, where it overlooked the children's swimming pool.


A number of women have come forward claiming Jimmy Savile sexually abused them in the 1970s
The decision to remove the likeness came after an historic rape allegation was made against the entertainer. Surrey police have referred the accusation to Scotland Yard, which is said to be investigating the claims.

The BBC has offered its full support to officers, amidst accusations that some of the abuse took place on BBC premises.

Following a documentary, it was also revealed that Jersey and Surrey police investigated accusations about alleged abuse in two children's homes, but decided there was not enough evidence to proceed.



Two police forces investigated allegations against the entertainer but no action was taken
Another woman came forward accusing Savile of forcing her and a friend to perform sex acts.

Dee Coles told ITV News: "Myself and another girl I met on holiday were basically taken into his van by him on a couple of occasions and made to do sexual acts," Ms Cole said.

"Afterwards, it was shame. The biggest emotion you can ever feel is shame and I carry that now."


FROM: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2...e-rape-child-abuse_n_1935350.html
Carlisa

Suppose just a matter a time before Gary Glitter would come into it.

A bit freakish how this stuff is snowballing!!! Confused



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A woman has claimed she saw both Sir Jimmy Savile and convicted paedophile Gary Glitter sexually abusing under-age girls in the former Jim'll Fix It presenter's dressing room at the BBC studios.


Karin Ward, who will also claim in an explosive ITV documentary that she was abused by another television presenter when she was 14, has waived her anonymity to say she saw Glitter having sex with an underage girl in Savile's dressing room.

She said she first made the claims for a Newsnight investigation which was later shelved by the BBC.

In the ITV documentary entitled Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile, Ward says: "I told Newsnight I saw Gary Glitter have sex with a girl in Jimmy Savile's dressing room in that little alcove bit.

"I didn't see it completely but that's what was going on and nobody batted an eyelid. I also told them that I was horribly, horribly humiliated."

 

More women have come forward to accuse the former Top of the Pops presenter of sexual abuse in the run-up to the ITV documentary.

Dee Coles, another alleged victim who chose to waive her anonymity, told ITV's Daybreak she was made to perform sex acts on Savile in a campervan in Jersey.

A second woman told the Daily Mail that Savile raped her in a hotel room when she was 16. She had an illegal abortion, she said.

The latest rash of allegations have piled more pressure on the BBC, following claims that the company knew about Savile's personal life but turned a blind eye to it.

There have also been questions asked as to why the corporation dropped the original Newsnight investigation into the accusations aimed at Savile.

The BBC has strenuously denied these claims and added it was horrified by the accusations. Executives said the corporation would  will assist any police investigations into the claims.

BBC makes direct contact with police

"A number of serious and disturbing allegations have been made over the past few days about the sexual abuse of teenage girls by Jimmy Savile," said the BBC.

"Some allegations relate to activity on BBC premises in the 1960s and 1970s. We are horrified by allegations that anything of this sort could have happened at the BBC - or have been carried out by anyone working for the BBC.

"They are allegations of a serious criminal nature which the police have the proper powers to investigate.

"So we have today asked the BBC investigations unit to make direct contact with all the police forces in receipt of allegations and offer to help them investigate these matters and provide full support to any lines of inquiry they wish to pursue."

Writing in a BBC blog post, Newsnight's editor Peter Rippon denied he was forced to drop the investigation by BBC bosses. He made the decision, he said, because the programme had not established any "institutional failure" around the Savile allegations.

Rippon wrote: "Did we withhold evidence from the police? No. We are confident that all the women we spoke to had contacted the police independently already. We also had no new evidence against any other person that would have helped the police.

"Did my bosses order me to do anything? No.

"I did discuss it with my bosses in news in the same way I do any contentious story we are working on. I was told in the strongest terms that I must be guided by editorial considerations only and that I must not let any wider considerations about the BBC affect my judgment."

Michael Grade, who was BBC chairman from 2004-06, told Channel 4 News that he heard rumours about Savile's conduct but dismissed suggestions there could have been a cover-up at the BBC.

He said: "I never heard anything that gave me cause to think we should investigate it. There were questions but the entertainment industry is awash on a sea of rumours."

It was recently revealed that both Surrey and Jersey police had investigated accusations made against Savile during his lifetime, but both decided there was insufficient evidence to act.

The documentary is also due to broadcast Savile claiming that Glitter "did nothing wrong" when he was jailed for downloading child porn. The glam rock was arrested only because he was famous, Savile maintained

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles...buse-documentary-gary-glitter.htm
deadpeoplestuff

Hey Carlisa (and crew)

I will tell you this much...this is a very big deal. I think this will be the snowball from hell - as and when all of the details unravel (assuming they will of course) because I think this story runs deep and very very dark.

Further, I don't think any here would be surprised just how low and how deeply depraved and far reaching this subject will go..

What is an abomination is the fact that Savile was protected for so long by so many...quite how these pond life live with themselves defies belief..

This will transcend 'class divides' and will pull in the clergy (already well established) but I suspect much much more from that section of the 'community' - not to mention all of the so called upper echelons of the establishment, the nobility, even Royalty

What's more - certain parts of the country keep coming up in relation to this - like Jersey and Haut de la Garenne. It was never out of the news here in the South West - yet the police and the whole investigation were floundering...just as though they had wandered into an investigation that somebody (possibly many) wanted to 'go away' - and so the police were made to look foolish while it withered on the vine

God, Edge Media made a better effort, by allowing Pie & Mash Films to take a look at the subject...and of course we all know about Holly Grieg and Dunblane...

There was far more to that 'shooting' in Dunblane than was ever disclosed - again linked to senior politicians who were whisked away to work overseas (Belgium) with jobs in NATO and among the Eurocrats - and here we pick up another major link but this time to a whole country given over to the practice and protection of pedophiles and pedophilia on an almost industrial scale....

I know its a mind virus and that the people involved are sick beyond repair - but I hope they are all bound for the outer darkness when they leave this mortal realm and are forced to live with the torment and nightmares they have inflicted on these poor little souls

Vampires are real...and its our human energy (aura) that these degenerates feed upon - which delivers the 'catch 22' of our time. Sadly for us, they feed off the dark energy in all its forms - our hatred, our loathing and contempt, our anger and of course the fear and the misery.

This is an important message to take away from these events (which is why they are prominent on our daily news) they are FEEDING on all of the misery and I kid you not...

We have to find the strength to stay out of our base chakras (emotion) and focus our love to the victims while sending nothing of our selves to the vampires...
Angryhead

UNI, carlisa, nairda, direk... thanks! Hello everyone else too  Very Happy

Yes... 'tis true... I've been a bit busy over the last fortnight or so digging away in my own little 'research world,' but I have dropped in every now and again to have a read here. However... I've also been a bit reluctant to post and share any one of the dozens of stories that are leaking on an almost daily basis because - well - for some reason it makes me feel a bit 'mucky.'

Having read the allegations and now watched the ITV documentary, I've been left with the same impression as you, DPS.
This goes high up... really high up. Well - yes, of course - most of us here already were aware of this due to the many claims made over the years by a number of researchers, blogs and websites. The one that always sticks with me is the claim by David Icke that Savile was essentially a 'provider' of children for MPs at Westminster during the 1970s - and in particular - Ted Heath.

I dunno... call it a gut instinct, or an educated guess, but we're not getting the full story here. It seems to me a number of charities and childrens' homes are - if not complicit in this - then turning a blind eye. Why hasn't any one picked up on this? After all, even the ITV documentary hinted at it, but then - left it there and took it no further (mentioned merely as a side-note). For example, there's one claim which I've read by a victim (it was also featured on the documentary) where a woman (a girl at the time) was invited into Savile's caravan. He pulled her towards him and forced her to sit on his lap. When she realised what he was up to, she got up and protested only for the staff of the home to come rushing in, grab her by the wrists and drag her off (literally) to an "isolation room" for three days! She also claims that the workers of the home said to her, "how dare you say such things about him. Do you know how much money he's raised?!!" For some reason, this particular story (claim) sticks with me the most.
The documentary also left me with the impression that the charity 'MIND' was complicit (although the narrator was careful not to say as much).

Yeah... hardly big news for any of us here. We've all heard claims made by Icke, Brian Gerrish, and many others over the years how the Halls of Westminster are mired in this depraved, sick (and - let's be honest) Satanic practise. Let's also not forget the claims of victims who have implicated the Royal Family (and the Queen in particular) in seperate articles and stories over the years.
No... we're not getting the full story here (IMO). This goes high up... to the very top. Perhaps this is the reason why the allegations are being ALLOWED to come out now? After all... if Savile had been arrested and charged, who knows what powerful, influential people he might've  implicated? It could have brought the whole house of cards crashing down (if he would have been allowed to live of course). Reading the news today, it appears that other Radio1 DJs are now set to be released from the woodwork (I've also read articles today and yesterday that Freddie Starr was part of Savile's inner circle too - as well as Gary Glitter, as you've already mentioned, Carlisa).

Any way... although I've been a tad reluctant to post any links or stories, I think it's worth citing the story below... because now a man has come forward to say he was molested by Savile when he was a boy...

Taken from 'MailOnline' (October 5th 2012)...

Now a MAN claims he was groped by Jimmy Savile, aged 12, as Scotland Yard leads inquiry into sex abuse allegations against the BBC star
A male teacher has claimed Jimmy Savile molested him when he was just 12 after they met on a family day out.
The school tutor, who is now in his 40s and didn't want to named, is the first man to come forward to allege that he was assaulted by the DJ.
So far more than 40 women have reportedly come forward to accuse the TV star of child abuse.
The man told the Daily Mirror: 'We met Jimmy on a day out. I was with my family and he came over and sat with us. I could feel him rubbing my leg under the table – and then moving up to my crotch.

'When I told my family later, they didn’t take it seriously. They said I was imagining it or exaggerating and that Jimmy Savile was a good man.
'But I’ve always known he was a paedophile and I’m glad that all of this has finally surfaced.'
The latest claims come as more alleged victims are coming forward to various organisations on a daily basis with allegations of abuse.
Scotland Yard said tonight that police child abuse officers have met with BBC officials to discuss the allegations made against the late television presenter.
A Met Police spokesman said: 'We are now collating information gathered from a range of sources across the UK and will continue contacting individuals who have made allegations in relation to the late Jimmy Savile over the coming weekend.
'We do not expect to have a clear picture of exactly how many women may have suffered abuse until next week and want to allow time for victims to reflect on what they may have experienced,' the spokesman said, adding that the BBC Investigations Service was co-operating fully with detectives.

On Monday, six women were revealed to have made chilling accusations about Savile when the ITV documentary aired.
It prompted a seventh woman to walk into a Surrey police station and allege Savile raped her at 15 in 1986 when she was on work experience at the BBC.

On Tuesday, two more women, Katrina Rose and Bebe Roberts, were the first to bravely waive their anonymity and claim they too were victims of the Jim’ll Fix It star.
The next day, another woman told the Mail she had been raped and made pregnant by Savile when she was a 16-year-old virgin.

The woman, now 65, was forced to have an illegal abortion without painkillers, and spent two years paying back her grandmother for the cost of the procedure.
Since then, several more women have contacted the Mail, ITV News and the police with further allegations.
Among them, Karin Ward claimed she was abused in Savile’s dressing room aged 14 at the same time as paedophile Gary Glitter was raping a 13-year-old girl.
Glitter, jailed twice over child abuse, has rejected the allegation.

In Jersey, up to five girls abused at the Haut de le Garenne children’s home named Savile, their solicitor Alan Collins said yesterday.
Girls as young as nine were allegedly molested by the Radio One DJ at the Jersey ‘house of horrors’.



Full story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...x-abuse-allegations-BBC-star.html



Also...

'MailOnline' (October 5th 2012)...

Special report: A 15-year-old who killed herself after leaving a diary naming DJs as abusers. Disturbing questions about John Peel. So how many stars WERE involved?
Back in the Seventies, when Jimmy Savile was at the height of his fame, he was interviewed by a newspaper about the death of a teenage girl.
The youngster was Claire McAlpine. She was just 15 years old and had been a regular dancer in the audience of Top Of The Pops.
On the morning of March 29, 1971, Claire, a former convent school pupil, was found lying on the floor of her bedroom at home in Watford, Hertfordshire, by her distraught mother. She had taken a fatal overdose.
Near her body was a bottle of tablets and her red diary. ‘Don’t laugh at me for being dramatic, but I just can’t take it any more,’ Claire wrote.
It was her last heartbreaking entry to her parents before she killed herself.
On the preceding pages, she had named a string of radio disc jockeys — and other showbusiness personalities, all household names — who, she claimed, had ‘used’ her.
One of the DJs, she said, had taken her to his house for the night and given her a pill which made her feel like she was ‘floating on a cloud’. Another had also invited her back to his ‘sumptuously furnished’ residence.
Savile, then in his 40s, who presented Top Of The Pops, was asked during the interview if he knew or remembered Claire from the show.
‘I studied a photograph of Claire very closely,’ he replied. ‘I cannot recollect ever seeing the girl in my life. They say she came from Watford. I don’t know anyone who lives in Watford.’
The inquest into Claire’s death was held shortly after the article appeared. The coroner ruled that Claire committed suicide after deciding her ‘day-dreams’ of becoming a pop star would never come true.

Claire’s diary was scrutinised by Scotland Yard, but no action was taken against the DJs, who, she alleged, had  ‘used’ her for their own sexual gratification.
They were never even questioned, let alone identified. ‘It would be ridiculous to connect anyone or anything mentioned in her diary with reality,’ a police spokesman said at the time.




Full story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...nvolved.html?ICO=most_read_module



One more...

From October 3rd 2012...

Radio 1 boss 'knew about Jimmy Savile sex abuse allegations in the 1970s but was only worried that they would emerge in the Press'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...%3D%26authornamef%3DPaul%2BRevoir



Again... Why aren't the charities and childrens' homes that were involved being dragged into this mainstream media cesspit? It seems to me they're being conveniently sidelined from any scrutiny.

Nooo. There's more to this. Yes... 'revelations' are coming out, but, it's being steered in a way so as not to get too deep into investigating the institutions that were also involved with Savile (apart from the BBC, of course - and what's THAT all about?).
deadpeoplestuff

Angry

I will field that last question; although I must warn each reader that this will be beyond the pale for most people....

Personally, I have very little doubt, that the charities are nothing more than fronts for the raising and laundering large sums of cash for the elite.

Of course there will be many within their ranks who are good people, with only the very best of intentions - but ultimately they are operations or fronts, that enable certain individuals to 'work behind the scenes' as it were...the perfect hiding place

Just as the church has always been a refuge for sexual deviants (pedos) and of course homosexuals (before people began to understand and accept it)...that's why the monasteries, nunneries and these fraternal orders are associated with this behavior...because they have always been a safe haven and sanctuary from persecution and so they are the perfect hiding place

Institutions are, by there very nature, highly evolved at hiding all manner of things, including people, especially people...

Again, this is yet another deep subject - and I don't expect anyone to accept my points willingly only that they keep an inquiring mind into how and why these 'charities' come about and who sits behind them...
under no illusion

Hi guys. I watched the documentary, & I will agree about the young girl that protested Saviles advances & was dragged away! The people were in ear shot & they knew what was going on! A cover-up is still ongoing, I agree!

Seems also Savile's own book has references to his sick behaviour:

Jimmy Savile’s affections laid bare by…Jimmy Savile?

In today’s Times story about the allegations surrounding Jimmy Savile, David Sanderson highlighted some quotes from As It Happens, Savile’s 1974 autobiography, that nobody else seems to have picked up on. It’s strange that they haven’t, because they are startling:

[Savile] writes of an incident at the Mecca Locarno ballroom in Leeds, where he worked as a DJ during the 1950s, when a female police officer came in with a photograph of “an attractive girl who had run away from a remand home”.

Savile writes: “‘Ah,’ says I all serious, ‘if she comes in I’ll bring her back tomorrow but I’ll keep her all night first as my reward’.” He then writes that the girl did go into the club and “agreed that I hand her over if she could stay at the dance, [and] come home with me”. He wrote that he did then hand her over to the “lady of the law…[who] was dissuaded from bringing charges against me by her colleagues, for it was well known that were I to go I would probably take half the station with me”.

I repeat, this is Savile’s autobiography. It wasn’t winkled out of him by a cunning interviewer; he didn’t let it slip when he was pissed. It wasn’t a post-modern joke.

Rather, these are words he wrote in a book, which were read by a publisher, and presumably by lawyers, and by reviewers, and by readers. One of his alleged victims even claims he gave her a copy of it, after abusing her, with the inscription “No Escape!”.

What can these words possibly mean, except for what they seem to mean? How can nobody have noticed?

Right now, many are presumably wondering how his behaviour can have been concealed for so long. But it wasn’t concealed. It was right out there, in plain view, and nobody wanted to see. I’m not sure what the lesson of all this is, but if there is one, it’s horribly bleak.


FROM: http://timesopinion.tumblr.com/po...ections-laid-bare-by-jimmy-savile


also The Freddie Starr allegations (no doubt he will be questioned?)



Freddie Starr Denies Sexually Abusing Girls With Jimmy Savile And Gary Glitter

Comedian Freddie Starr has denied he was the third man in the dressing room with Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter on the night they were accused of sexually abusing young girls.

Speaking out after an injunction against the allegations were overturned, Starr said any accusations that he was present were an "utter lie" and that he will take legal action against anyone who claims otherwise.

According to a woman who claims to have witnessed the abuse in the 1970s, Gary Glitter sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl in Jimmy Savile's dressing room as the Savile groped another girl aged 14,


Freddie Starr has denied the allegations and says he hates paedophiles
Karin Ward also asserts that a third well-known 80s TV entertainer, whose identity was not disclosed, was also present and tried to assault her.

She said: “I rebuffed him and he humiliated me in front of everyone in the dressing room by saying something really unkind about my lack of breasts, which to a 14-year-old girl was just awful.

However 69-year-old Starr spoke out against the claims, telling the Daily Mirror "If what is being said about Jimmy is true he’s a scumbag. I hate paedophiles. I’d kill them.

He told ITV: “I was sick to the stomach when I heard that. It is disgusting and it never happened.

“I didn’t know Savile but I couldn’t stand his face. I wanted to punch it.”

Ward made the claims in an ITV documentary aired earlier this week. Although she identified the third man, ITV was forced to edit out his name as he is still alive and has disputed the claim.

Gary Glitter, a convicted paedophile, has reportedly denied the claims.


Firm friends: Sir Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter
Despite Glitter's conviction for watching child pornography, Savile appeared to defend him in 2009 when he said he had done nothing wrong and was "just sat at home watching some dodgy films".

Ward also claims that Savile himself tried to abuse her. She said: “Jimmy Savile used to come to Duncroft. He used to take us girls out. We loved it when he was here.

“Everybody knew he was a perv and everybody knew he would be groping and wanting sex and wanting other worse things than just plain sex but he brought lots of nice things with him.

“We got nice food when Jimmy was coming. He used to bring a thousand cigarettes with him and cigarettes were the currency in that kind of environment so girls just flocked around him.

“He brought sweeties. Sometimes he bought perfume, he brought make-up.

"A lot of things were duty free. He lavished gifts on everybody and was all jolly and then he wanted people to come out with him for a ride in his car.”


FROM: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2...7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1&pLid=130673
Angryhead

Uni... re; the first story in your post... interesting! I'm not suggesting for one moment an earlier guess I made in an earlier post was correct, but, Savile clearly states in that passage from his biog the fact that he would have taken down multitudes of prominent people with him if they were to charge him! Yeah... no wonder no charges were ever brought against him when he was alive. He's a dead 'patsy' (but a guilty 'patsy' all the same).
My God. I have to say... this is quite surreal. 2012 truly is turning out to be the age of awakening perhaps (this comes hot on the heels of Hillsborough, although I personally think there's still a significant cover-up there too)?

DPS... thanks for taking the time out to offer that perspective. I haven't delved deeply into the roots of charities, but I do know where you're coming from. The fact that there are said to be cures for cancer and all manner of other diseases (even patents for God's sake), but yet we're still forced to drop the odd coin into a tin or take part in some humiliating marathon-run or fancy-dress debacle in order to raise money for these 'causes' is well known amongst 'people like us' (if you know what I mean?) Brian Gerrish has looked into this in particular. Even a casual afternoon's worth of research on 'Wikipedia' will take you to the roots of where these so-called "charities" originate (i.e. board of directors, e.t.c.). Not forgetting the arch-charity of them all... 'Common Purpose.' Of course, the 'Red Cross' is the classic case in point; a Vatican cover. A ways and means of being able to pass national borders during times of war and using that 'cover' as a ways and means to act as an intelligence service in trouble-zones... come on! The clue's in the symbol... a RED CROSS!

Any way... back to Savile. Any one getting clues of Mind Kontrol here? UNI... again... one of your interesting links refers to Savile writing the words, "no escape" in his victim's book. I've heard one or two other accounts from other alleged victims who claim he did the same to them too. Doesn't this smell of MK? If various Mind Control experts and renowned authors are to be believed, this is a classic M.O. (a kind of trigger/command to keep the slave in your control). Also... the book he writes "no escape" in, is a book about him and him only (as if to remind them that there's "no escape" from him. Enforcing control... keeping them in your control).
However... I'm not entirely sure if I'm barking up the right tree here. For example, all these victims who've since 'come out' are fully aware of what happened to them, and were aware at the time too. This doesn't fit with the usual traits? I dunno... the fact that he wrote "no escape" in the book 'niggles' me... it bears the hallmarks of a Mind-Control Handler.
under no illusion

It has a whiff of MK to it & I thought the same when I heard what he had written in the book. 30 or so people have stepped forward but I'd say that would be a low number considering his career spanned 30 years.

I'm looking for the "This is You Life" show because there might be some clues to possible MK connection. (Friends with Elvis!)

Found this interview so far. Very odd! At 7:01 the camera zooms in on the "This is Your Life" book on the table. Out of it sticks a piece of paper with WWW.con typed on it??

He also says he's a pirate in this clip.


Link
under no illusion

This pic looks MK-ish to me:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedi...99/SNF31JIMMYC--682s_1399572a.jpg
deadpeoplestuff

Angry (Matt)

Sorry, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree, and on another level, possibly looking for an out for the guy (I understand that you fully accept his guilt in this..)

No, what I read from these remarks, is the confession of a man who knows he is doing wrong but feels powerless to stop and unwilling to stop. I would further suggest, that he has more than likely acted as a 'facilitator' for others, acting as a source (a child catcher) - which may also explain his titles

I mean don't get me wrong - gaining recognition for helping others is commendable - but my god, you have to go some to find anyone who can match some of the awards that Savile attained..

I may be wrong about this - but I really don't see people being mind controlled into becoming pedophiles - you have to have a propensity towards such behavior to begin with..a choice

Savile was a tough little fucker (clearly) with an iron will and doesn't strike me as someone with alters (multiple persona's) and in this lifetime, this was his chosen path
Angryhead

'Ey up! Still here!  Very Happy

Oh no... don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that Savile was ever 'controlled.' What I'm suggesting is that he was the controller (hence why he wrote "no escape" in the books of his victims... to hold them into his control... to remind them). I'm thinking along the same lines as the allegations made against Bob Hope by (oh, God... was it Brice Taylor?). Oh, yeah. I agree. He was a tough fucker (ex-wrestler / nightclub doorman). And he was a child-catcher (allegedly for Westminster scum... stories about a house-boat on the Thames where he'd collect them all for his mates). A man with no scruples... a low-life who needed no persuasion to take part in what he took part in... no need to be 'controlled.' He was a Handler who was happy to take part...?

By the way, UNI... I'll have a look at those links later this weekend.
under no illusion

Here you go AH, This DOES look very MK!

'
Sir Jimmy Savile is linked to the 'Yorkshire Ripper', Peter Sutcliffe, who, in 1981, was was convicted of murdering 13 women.

"Mr Sutcliffe told police he left the murder scene after he heard voices, but couldn't tell where they came from.

"He also heard a car being driven away from the entrance to a house.

"Later he found out that the house was where disc jockey Jimmy Savile lived"
'

FROM:http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/jimmy-savile-and-serial-killer.html
Angryhead

Hells bells, UNI.

This might explain the odd connection between the two?

Any way... managed to find the source of Aangirfan's quote... it's about a quarter of a page down. Also... in the link, Sutcliffe keeps talking about hearing voices in his head commanding him to "kill, kill kill". Very similar to Mark Chapman's claims that he heard voices saying, "do it, do it, do it."

http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/trial03.htm
under no illusion

EXCLUSIVE “JIMMY SAVILE WAS SPARED TO PROSECUTE JONATHAN KING” SAYS ‘DEVIL’S ADVOKAT’ GIOVANNI DI STEFANO BY TIINA PAIVARINTA

"...Glitter was sentenced to four months' imprisonment after being convicted of downloading over 4,000 pornographic images of children, some as young as two and three, in 1999.
In March 2006 Glitter was jailed for three years for molesting two girls, aged 11 and 12, in the Vietnamese resort town of Vung Tau and made to sign the sex offenders' register.
Savile allegedly says in a recorded interview that Glitter - whose real name is Paul Gadd - had only used the films for his own 'gratification' and had not tried to profit from them by selling them.
The 'Jim'll Fix It' presenter is shown in an interview with a journalist in 2009, suggesting that Gadd was more victim than predator.

Jonathan King the genius pop impresario was convicted in 2001 of one charge of buggery, one of attempted buggery and four indecent assaults, committed against five boys, each aged 14 to 16. He denied the offences from day one.

His case, somewhat confusingly, was split into three trials: the convictions relate only to the first. King was acquitted at the second, following which the CPS abandoned the third. He was released on parole in March 2005, despite having declined to participate in programmes aimed at behavioural correction, because he considers himself innocent.

The interesting factor was that Savile was also involved in Operation Ore the police investigation that netted a number of sexual ‘deviants.’

It has to be said the most famous convicted as a result of Operation Ore was of course the man who had been destined to lead British Pop Music to the forefront of British business:- Jonathan King.



King launched an appeal after his conviction and engaged the ‘Devils Advokat’ Giovanni Di Stefano who quickly retraced the steps and events which proved without a doubt that at least one of the allegations King could not have committed as he was in New York on the date the offence was allegedly committed.

“I saw papers in the undisclosed material with the name ‘Savile’ and a list of other names. I knew then that the rumours about Savile and other celebrities involved had some substance. It was made clear to me by the Guildford Police not to even think of raising the name Savile at the time or there would be consequences. A CPS officer Mr. S also told me the same,” said Di Stefano.

“In an act that I can now only describe as shameful to myself and for the first time in my life I failed to raise the issue that Savile had been spared and that instead it was an attack on King at all costs. The CPS had to get a conviction and King was their man,” said Di Stefano.

King upon his conviction declared: "I want to scream my innocence from the rooftops."
In a letter to a daily tabloid at the time, written from prison, King said: "I maintain my innocence of all the charges and I would point out that the general legal situation that has brought these cases to trial is patently unfair."
King said his areas of concern were: the lack of a statute of limitations for sex offences, the absence of any requirement for corroboration of sex allegations and the anonymity of complainants.
Di Stefano stated that King “certainly had a fair gripe. After all a second trial collapsed when a witness admitted that he had consented to sexual contact with King and had been older when the incidents happened than he had claimed in his statement to police.”
“Also in the frame was Lonnie Donegan but it was clear from the clear threat that I received of ‘consequences’ the man the police tried to protect for whatever reason was Jimmy Savile,” stated Di Stefano.
“In October of last year when I heard Savile had died I telephoned a friend of mine now a deputy editor of a major news group asking if I should publish a story on Savile. He said he would call me back. When he did he said it was best to keep to the advice I had received way back,” confirmed Di Stefano.
In November 2001 Surrey Police Det Insp Brian Marjoram said his team would not shy away from difficult cases and he believed historic abuse allegations could be investigated and prosecuted properly.
He went on to say “Surrey detectives are continuing investigations into a number of men who are alleged to have been associated with King in the early 1970s and to have engaged in sexual abuse.”
Jimmy Savile was obviously not one of them as he was protected from prosecution and the conviction of King became fundamental to Jimmy Savile ‘fixing’ his own case.

"



FROM: http://eturnkeysec3340002378c9.us...s/template/default/active_id/1668
under no illusion

JIMMY SAVILE AND POWERFUL CHILD ABUSE RINGS

(see link, makes more sense than the cut & paste version)

Sir Jimmy Savile's nephew was taken by Savile to child abuse parties.

"He said children as young as ten would disappear into bedrooms with men...".

"Guy Marsden was just 13 when 'Uncle Jimmy' took him to a wealthy celebrity's house in London in 1967 for the first of many sordid social gatherings.


Photo - Haut de la Garenne, visited by Savile (First pictures inside 'Colditz' care home as police find secret)

"Over the next 18 months, Guy and his friends went to numerous 'parties' where he believes men sexually abused girls and boys as young as ten."

Savile was at many of these parties, he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...hood-stolen-13.html#ixzz28V6p6JTy


JIMMY SAVILE FIXED IT FOR ISRAEL

"Guy said Savile sometimes arrived with a man dressed as a priest and he believed the young victims may have come from an orphanage or children’s home."

At 13, Guy and three friends hitch-hiked to London.


The Dutroux gang supplied girls to the elite, to be tortured and murdered.

On the first trip in 1967, the group of boys went to Euston Station "and were quickly invited to a grubby flat."

‘About four days later’, Jimmy Savile turned up at the flat.

"Savile turned up by coincidence at the address because he mixed with 'fellow child molesters', said Guy."


Howard Silverman was one of Sir Jimmy Savile’s closest pals. Website for this image

"The group of runaways ended up in a fabulous house - believed to belong to a famous pop impresario - with a big indoor swimming pool."

The celebrity home had lots of children.

"'At first we automatically assumed the children lived there, but we soon realised they didn't. They would be brought there, sometimes by Uncle Jimmy, and would stay for six or seven hours until 3 or 4am. They were just little kids, boys and girls."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...hood-stolen-13.html#ixzz28V6p6JTy


Claire McAlpine

Claire McAlpine was 15 when she died.

She left behind a diary naming many famous people who had abused her.

Jimmy Savile was interviewed by a newspaper about the death of Claire McAlpine.


Regina Louf mentioned a number of girls that she had witnessed being murdered. (The Belgian X-Files) (Belgium's X-Files - An Olenka Frenkiel Investigation - BBC)

Claire McAlpine had been a regular on Savile's TV programme, Top Of The Pops.

Claire's diary was given to the notorious London police.

No action was taken against the people named in the diary.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-WERE-involved.html#ixzz28V7BHaEC


The BBC's  John Peel, in 1973

The BBC's John Peel Peel once worked for a radio station in Texas.

Peel has said that girls, some as young as 13, used to queue up outside his studio to offer him sex.

"Well, of course, I didn’t ask for ID," he said.

"All they wanted me to do was to abuse them sexually which, of course I was only too happy to do."

Peel's wife committed suicide.


General Michael Aquino. In 1986, San Francisco police began investigating claims of sexual abuse centering around the Army's Child Development Center at the Presidio of San Francisco. In 1987, a girl identified Lt.-Col. Michael Aquino as the person who had had abused her.

Peel loved schoolgirls.

Peel was awarded an OBE by the Queen.

The BBC's Jonathan King, like Jimmy Savile, "cruised the streets in his Rolls-Royce looking for victims."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-WERE-involved.html#ixzz28V7BHaEC


Savile in Belfast 1976. JIMMY SAVILE - USA AND EUROPE - DUTROUX, BONACCI.....

It has been claimed that Sir Jimmy Savile and an accomplice ran a sex ring.

The Daily Mail has been told that a BBC employee was allegedly given the task of procuring girls for men to molest.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...ured-girls-him.html#ixzz28V7PGUU3


Savile with Princess Anne, president of Save the Children. aangirfan: SAVE THE CHILDREN - FRONT FOR CIA?

Michael Cavan comments:

"Some time back I listened to a radio interview with T Stokes at his central London flat.

"I gather he was something to do with combating soviet penetration.

"He said that Sir Anthony Blunt was a child abuser and procurer.

"The aim was to blackmail people for Rothschild.


Esther Rantzen (formerly of the BBC and now with Childline) and Savile

"The American brothel madame also said she blackmailed her clients for Mossad.

"Child protection in Britian is Jewish run: Esther Rantzen, Sarah Caplin, Childline, Peter Mandelson of the  NSPCC, Margaret Hodge formerly Blair's Childrens Minister etc and all for the Rothschilds' Israel to blackmail our politicians; and assisted by Rupert Murdoch.

"I did not believe this radio broadcast but now I am not so sure?"

Michael Cavan
Surrey

Now a MAN claims he was groped by Jimmy Savile, aged 12, as Scotland Yard leads inquiry into sex abuse allegations against the BBC star


Jason Swift

In 1985, 14-year-old Jason Swift was killed by a child-abuse gang.


Savile and Tony Blair Website for this image. In 1982 Margaret Hodge (nee Oppenheimer) became Islington council leader. She became a close friend of Tony Blair, who lived in Islington

Jason is believed to have lived in Islington council's Conewood Street children's home.

(Jersey child abuse link to Islington, London)


Paul Bonacci in front of the ranch where, reportedly, Johnny Gosch, and other boys were held captive. Paul Bonacci has stated that, as a youth, he was forced to participate in satanic snuff films. He identified Bohemian Grove as the location of a satanic murder. Paul A. Bonacci said that, as a child, he was kidnapped by the US military, tortured and subjected to sex abuse and mind control. In 1999, in a court in Omaha, he won $1,000,000 in damages. (Mind Control Victim Awarded $1 Million)


Dutroux. The discovery of computer discs at Dutroux's house, in 1996, "unraveled an international pedophile ring involving Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, the U.S., Great Britain, Japan and the United Nations and its agencies."


Savile and Tony Blair Website for this image..

Anonymous comments:

"The infamous Dr. Stephen Ward (linked to the Kennedy assassination: WARD AND MONARCH BRAINWASHING) once told me all of the kids at the Barnardos he worked at for free as a councillor had been sexually abused at some time.

"But anything at Barnardo's stopped when Johnny Jones rose in the ranks and took over...

"Johnny Jones lived around the corner to me, in the poorest street in what was a fairly well to-do town in SE London. Everyone knew him, he was a nice man when not suffering one of his 'black-moods'...

"I knew his son... so I often visited...

" Ward ... used to hypnotise the kids...

"Johnny Jones was David Bowie's dad."  

The fall of a pop impresario | Life and style | The Guardian..



FROM: http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2...ile-and-powerful-child-abuse.html
deadpeoplestuff

I don't know why....

but for the first time in some years...I watched the BBC 'news' magazine prog this morning (Buggerlugs Mar) and this story is already being 'managed'

They are steering this towards the inappropriate sexual behavior towards women in the workplace...a grope and tickle from someone who should know better sort of thing...

Unpleasant I will grant you...but considerably the lesser of the true evil that hides behind this story

If anything can wake the people the fuck up and shake them from their apathy - then surely THIS must be that moment

Frankly, this looks like the ONLY topic that will take the establishment down and bring about real change...
JAY

We live in hope DPs....
deadpeoplestuff

Angry

Well that 'gut feel' of yours is working well my friend - he is a controller - a military asset (MI5/6) just as 'shock horror' Simon Cowell

I know we have been here already, but it is said that the Military Intelligence control the entire music industry globally...can't say Im at all surprised about that revelation

As you know, Ive always maintained that it was both music and tv that has been co-opted to control us all...and that only the high level Masons are party to this 'inner circle'

It makes me wonder if he (Savile) used the 'ripper' Sutcliffe for dark deeds or even as a patsy for victims of abuse (ritual murder?)

This is a dark and tangled web...
naf

want a list of how deep it goes............ here you go and do watch the link below

http://itccs.org/2012/09/17/urgen...onal-common-law-court-of-justice/

Hello again and welcome. This is September 17, 2012, and I'm Kevin Annett with the International Common Law Court of Justice.

Today, the Prosecutor's Office of our Court is issuing Public Summonses to thirty two officials of church and state around the world, charging them with criminal offenses and summoning them to appear in our court. This Summons and the names and positions of these officials will be read today so that the world is able to follow these historic proceedings.

This Summons has particular force right now because of the refusal of the named churches and persons to respond this week to ten measures of justice demanded of them by their victims – and by a consequential Banishment Proclamation that has been issued against these churches by organizations of abuse survivors around the world.

Our Court has received reports that yesterday, in Ireland, the Netherlands, Canada and the United States, roman catholic churches were occupied by church victims and other citizens, and church officials there were issued with banishment and eviction notices, which declared these churches to be open, public space in which these same church officials were now trespassing. These notices were also posted in town council offices and public places in these countries.

In the light of these actions, we call upon the church and government officials named in this Public Summons today to appreciate the seriousness of the protest and reclamation movement that is growing against them – a movement for real justice and recovery – and to therefore respond to this Summons and answer for their actions before the world, in our public court of law.

Let me read now the Public Summons that is being sent today the officials who will be named afterwards:
PUBLIC SUMMONS

Issued under De Jure Naturalis by the Human Rights Trial Division of The International Common Law Court of Justice (Established under the Customary Land Law Jurisdiction of Sovereign Nations)

Brussels

September 15, 2012

To: (Name of Defendant)

In the Matter of HRTD Case Docket Numbers A-091512-001 through 005 inclusive

BE ADVISED that you have been named as a defendant and a primary witness in a matter brought before this Court for adjudication, in that you are charged in a personal and corporate capacity with ordering, aiding and abetting, colluding in and concealing Crimes against Humanity and other criminal acts, and with personally and deliberately participating in a Criminal Conspiracy.

BE FURTHER ADVISED that you or your attorney have ten (10) working days as of this date to respond in writing to this Public Summons and to indicate your willingness to participate in a pre-Trial Conference and Examination.

Failure by you or your attorney to respond to this Summons can be understood and interpreted by this Court to mean that you do not dispute or challenge the charges made against you by the Plaintiffs named in these cases, and that by your silence you are consenting to the proceedings. As a potentially incriminating admission, such a refusal to respond may cause a guilty verdict to be delivered against you by this Court in absentia.

If you do not respond to this Summons, the Court will reserve the right to appoint a legal counsel to represent you in your absence.

A complete list of charges, specifications and Plaintiffs in these cases will be forwarded to you separately.

Following depositions, the opening arguments before this Court will commence on Monday, October 15, 2012, in the absence of a pre-Trial Conference and Examination.

Issued by the Office of the Clerk of Court, Human Rights Trial Division, ICLCJ, Brussels, and through the Offices of the Court in Rome, London, Dublin, New York and Toronto.

Signed and sealed, 17 September 2012

This Summons is being issued today to the following persons in their named capacities:

Joseph Ratzinger, alias Pope Benedict, Head of the Roman Catholic Church Incorporated, Rome

Adolfo Nicholas Pachon, Superior General of the so-called Society of Jesus, or Jesuit Order

Pedro Lopez Quintana, Papal Nuncio to Canada

Angelo Sodano, College of Cardinals, Rome

Tarcisio Bertone, College of Cardinals, Rome

Angelo Bagnasco, College of Cardinals, Rome

Elizabeth Windsor, alias Queen of England, London

Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, London

Fred Hiltz, Primate of the Anglican Church in Canada

Bob Bennett, Bishop of Huron Diocese, Canada

Steven Harper, Prime Minister of Canada

Murray Sinclair, Chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission

John Milloy, TRC officer

Nora Sanders, General Secretary of the United Church of Canada

Gary Paterson, Moderator of the United Church of Canada

Jon Jessiman, legal counsel of the United Church of Canada

Marion Best, former Moderator of the United Church of Canada

Brian Thorpe, Art Anderson, Foster Freed, Bill Howie and Phil Spencer, officers of the United Church of Canada

John Cashore, former minister of the government of British Columbia

Robert Paulson, Superintendent of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police of Canada

Inspector Peter Montague, E Division, RCMP

Daniel Fulton, Chief Executive Officer of Weyerhauser Logging Corporation

Ron Huinink and other members of the Law Society of British Columbia

Former members of the congregation of St. Andrew's United Church, Port Alberni, Canada

Sean Atleo, so-called Grand Chief, Assembly of First Nations

William Montour, Chairperson of the Six Nations Confederacy

Head officers of the New England Company, London


These persons have until October 2, 2012, to respond to this Public Summons, after which criminal proceedings will commence against them.

In closing I wish to add a personal appeal and message to all of you watching this broadcast.

Last year, after commencing preparations for this court, I was arrested, imprisoned and then deported from England without any reason given. I was informed recently that the British Home Office has ordered my detention if I try returning to England.

So let me say that in the course of my travels throughout Europe over the next few weeks, or upon my return to north america, if I am arrested and held in communicado, I rely on each of you to confront the authorities about my arrest, and their crude attempts to obstruct justice and shut down our efforts to protect the children of our world from predators in power.

No amount of repression can stop the wave of justice represented by the survivors of church terror who are now coming forward. By jailing or harrassing individuals, the state is simply empowering more of us by awakening us to the tyranny around us.

But let me say on the record that if anything happens to me or to those I work with over the next, crucial period, I ask you all to hold the following auhtorities responsible: the Home Secretary and security forces of  Great Britain, the Vatican secret service and assassination network known as the Holy Alliance, and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and the RCMP.

Once again, I call upon the police forces of every country to obey their oaths of office and defend our civil liberties, and refuse to protect and aid child raping criminal organizations like the Vatican and other churches named in our Court.

Please stay tuned on October 2 for more updates from that Court. And  remember the words of the English poet Percy Shelley, who wrote after the infamous Peterloo massacre of the poor in Manchester in 1819,

Rise like lions after slumber, in unvanquishable number;

Shake your chains to earth like dew, which in sleep had fallen on you.

You are many; they are few.

Thank you.
jackchit

Holy Fuck  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
deadpeoplestuff

Make of this what you will...

NATO & CIA Rats Kidnap Libyan Childrens to Convert on Sex Slaves.
03/09/2011 23:26

August 29, 2011

French Leader Rushes To China, Blames US For Libyan Child Sex Slaves

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers





A shocking report prepared by the Russian Foreign Ministry for Prime Minister Putin on French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s unexpected trip to China last week to meet with China’s President Hu Jintao [both at photo top left] states that this Western leader told the Chinese that the Americans were responsible for removing from Libya an estimated 1,500 young girls and boys purported to be utilized as ‘sex slaves.’

Though China had evacuated nearly 36,000 of its citizens from Libya after the American-led NATO “Oil War” began, an estimated 800 Chinese families were reported still in the country.  Upon the NATO-led rebel forces entering Tripoli, this report says, wholesale executions, rapes, kidnappings and looting began headed by US and British military strike teams intent on capturing as many children as possible.

The “shock and awe” terror unleashed on the people of Libya, this report continues, was modeled after the US-led war on Iraq where that country was, likewise, plunged into frightful chaos and upheaval.

Though many International reporters have attempted to alert the Western peoples to the atrocities being committed by NATO-led rebels they have nearly all been silenced by orders issued by President Obama and Prime Minister Cameron.  In fact, if not for the forceful intervention by the International Red Cross many of these reporters would have been captured and executed this past week by these NATO-led rebels for exposing their war crimes against humanity.

This report goes on to state that US and British strike teams began to round up Libyan girls and boys (some as young as 5-years-old) after discovering rebels raping hundreds of them after they “liberated” Misurata from Gaddafi forces. [Note: On this LINK is another link to a shocking video of one of these NATO-backed  Libyan rebel-led child rapes which the Sisters have ordered not to be linked on this site.]      

Russian Foreign Ministry sources in this report further state that Sarkozy told Hu that upon the Americans learning about these child rapes by their own rebel forces they began abducting them first and after “medicating and crating” them put them onto US Air Force transport planes headed towards either America or Great Britain.

Sarkozy’s greatest concern, this report says, arose after both US and British authorities refused to tell France where these children were going or what was going to happen to them leading many to worry that they would end up as ‘sex slaves’ to the Western elite classes, nearly all of whom are reported to be pedophiles.

Important to note is that in America, where their morally corrupt elite class has legitimized homosexuality and other forms of human degradation, this past fortnight they began the legal process to legalize sex with children, and as we can read, in part, as reported by the Daily Caller News Service:

“If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013.  Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia.

The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists.  According to the conference brochure, the event will examine “ways in which minor-attracted persons [pedophiles] can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process” and how the popular perceptions of pedophiles can be reframed to encourage tolerance.”

The fears that these Libyan children will be turned into sex slaves appears to be justified by many independent American researchers and authors who provide compelling evidence substantiating their claims the CIA has been behind this monstrous scheme for decades.

According to one of these researchers named Brice Taylor: “… Henry Kissinger is the CEO for the Illuminati who naturally prefer to remain in the shadows. Our political leaders are chosen by their moral frailties, blackmail-ability, and willingness to advance the Illuminati plan. Strings are pulled and they mysteriously rise to prominence. It doesn't matter which party they belong to. They secretly serve the “Cause.”

Many are products of a life that may include pedophilia, drug trafficking and consumption, child pornography, bestiality, mind control, rape, torture, satanic rituals and human sacrifices. They are given many opportunities to indulge their perversities, which ensure continued obedience and solidarity.”

Drug trafficking, white slavery, prostitution and pornography finances secret New World Order programs. Elements in the CIA, FBI, Coast Guard, Military, and police are all involved, as is the Mafia.”

As the American-led NATO nations are now set to “reap the spoils” of their unprovoked attack upon oil-rich Libya, with Italy and France now openly arguing over who should get the greater riches, and Germany, also, clamoring for its share, it goes without saying that these “sex slave” children will be lost forever to serve the insane gratification of what is in essence our World’s new elite ruling class.

Unbeknownst to the greater masses of these Western peoples, however, is that Russia, China, India, Brazil (to just name a few) and over 1 Billion Muslims in this World are preparing to ensure that these monsters nearly two-century rule over our World comes to a screeching halt.

And it goes without saying, of course, that in destroying these monsters our entire World itself may be the ultimate and final victim.

Read more: http://libya-defense-strategy.web...ldrens-to-convert-on-sex-slaves-/
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Carlisa

Hi


I watched the documentary and yes the victim testimonies were credible, they spoke in matter of fact(like they had in some ways exorcised the heavy weight of victimhood), those whom allowed their identities to be broadcast were visually very believable(genuine) with exception to three people(not victims), The guy whom went to prison for fraud, the journalist and our favourite “influential” tv presenter seemed far from genuine, one can only ponder the reasons for their uninspiring  cameos?

So having stated that I am swayed that I am myself convinced of guilt, does that allow me the leverage of posing questions about the motivations behind this revelatory culture shock?

Like why with this being such a serious subject with accusations that should have been judged on their own merits did ITV use mind manipulation techniques like; repetition, frequent camera changes, blurred reconstructions of guy in Savile wig in indeterminable poses(provocative), hypnotic melodies, Jimmy archive images being flashed up during testimonies to score the image into the mind to engrave it as the source for your vitriol(almost as if to blind you to that passion rather than to stand back and question a bigger picture)and utilizing a very “influential” person like Esther Rantzen whom was shifting guilt onto everybody?  

She states she was aware of the gossip and rumours about Savile but it would be completely “irrelevant? “ To anything She was working on at the time, She never worked in the same department, but did once or twice appear on Jim’ll fix it but only as a guest so I never played a part in his life or in his career and nobody ever complained to me!

Too bad the Childline motto is-  “Don’t wait until you’re certain”,,, kind of makes a mockery of her excuse for not acting, or in this case acting deaf dumb and blind!

This Sky news clip to me is telling, it’s almost like she has been primed what to expect, but I kind of feel she gets stitched up.  She starts off in her comfort zone, like reeling out a script gazing mostly at the camera, telling is when she is asked whether she believes the victims testimony she finishes with “I believe them” straight after “them”  on 1:49 is a suspect sideward glance almost as if she is not fully committed to what she saying?
When interviewer then inquires, “Given you went on to found Childline and you campaigned to protect vulnerable children and young people did you not think of taking it up with perhaps not the authorities but BBC bosses, a long pause a stutter and a suspect change of tone and ultimately toward the end of the interview she can no longer maintain any meaningful eye contact with the camera and my feel from her eyes are of slight contempt!
There is even a half desperate defence toward the BBC when asked,” given that he(Savile) was the star of the corporation and some of these abuses were said to have taken place at the BBC center, is that good enough”?(in response to the BBC releasing a statement saying it found no evidence of misconduct) .  Bear in mind almost a year ago BBC had pulled a documentary made for newsnight on this very subject(She knew and here I feel She is squirming/deflecting)!


Link


For goodness sakes, here is a woman the figurehead of Childline and she is colluding to pervert the cause of justice by not being open.  She excepts first there are rumours, then it’s office gossip(She may as well have used the phrase tittle tattle), either way still contradicts the Childline motto “”Don’t wait till your certain””.

Look I know some may think I might be a little tough on her, but She is the frontline, She is the self-styled martyr, if you can’t get openness/candour from her then all we can expect from an inquiry is for all these feckers to close ranks and maybe offer up some scapegoat whose probably already dead!

But still if you disagree, that’s fine you still need to explain, John Peel, Gary Glitter, Jonathon King, Jimmy Savile and the list goes on, why aren’t The childrens charities dedicated to seeking out child abuse (especially NSPCC, Childline, and Childrens society) stating ‘hold on I spy a link here’ there is so much more to this, this is institutional this has to be gone through with a fine toothed comb.  But no, the Police say they are going to open up a line of enquiry. Will this be the same kind of line of inquiry that did not put Two and Two together in the nineties with Glitter or King or in 2007, did they not see a pattern emerging.  It’s all bull isn’t it, after Glitter and King someone in that sphere should have said well maybe there is something to Savile rumours after all,, we need to do something.  You have to ask yourself why this is being played down, why aren’t the institutions(Politicians, Police, media, charities) hyping up this, is this a nefarious lever is it being used for something other than the purpose of full disclosure, I hope not!

Here are mor shockers;

In 1975, Steven Tyler 27 years old (of Aerosmith fame) convinced the parents of 14 year old groupie Julia Holcomb (Holcolm) to sign over guardianship to him so that she could live with him in Boston, in which he, subsequently hooked her on drugs got her pregnant and aborted it and by the time she was 17 dusted her off and handed her back to her parents!



German government sanctioned incest?




This booklet, entitled ‘Body, Love and Playing Doctor’ emanates from Germany’s Ministry for Family Affairs(of the German government), and it encourages parents to ‘sexually massage’ their children as young as 1-3 years of age. There is a sequel for children aged 4-6 years of age which recommends teaching them the movements of sexual intercourse.

This is actually pederasty, not paedophilia, but Cranmer has given up trying to educate the world on the nuances of Greek love.

Astonishingly, the booklet advises: ‘Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex.’

And the rationale for this?

‘The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same.’

There are no plans yet for the teenage edition.
 
More here  

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspo...ermany-legalises-paedophilia.html



Here is c-span which is irrefutable footage of  Cynthia Mckinney roasting Donald Rumsfeld on women and child sex trafficking linked to the Pentagon, trillions of missing dollars missing from the Pentagon coffers and wargames on September 11.  The link is Dyncorp whom were contracted to give out vaccinations and were negotiating for a plague vaccine being exposed for Women and child trafficking!




Link


No conspiracy there?

Hollie Grieg

In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father.

Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan.

Medical and other evidence supported Hollie`s account and Grampian Police accepted the truth of Hollie`s statement. Nonetheless, no action was taken by Grampian Police against the perpetrators and despite Anne Greig`s persistence, the Procurator Fiscal, now Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini prevented any police action taking place.

In fact, the authorities instead attempted to discredit and intimidate Anne by having her forcibly taken to a mental institution, with the intention of handing Hollie back to her abuser father. Fortunately, Anne Greig had the presence of mind to have herself checked by a leading psychiatrist, who proclaimed her perfectly sane, a view with which even the institution were forced to concur


Original Article at Hollie Demands Justice so much more I implore you visit this site!

http://holliedemandsjustice.org/about_hollie_greig/



Taking up the baton from Naf regarding Kevin Annett here are two letters addressed to the Queen herself charging her with complicity in the abuse and genocide of Canadian children, one of them is a direct accusation(statement) that She was personally responsible for the disappearance of 10 children when she visited there in the 1960s’.  The brothers had attached electrodes to genitals. Forced healthy children to mix with diseased children, one threw one child out of a third story window, you can find out much more by watching Kevin Annetts award winning documentary ‘UNREPENTENT’.

Thursday, 01 April 2010 11:08

Signed statement by survivor witness followed by copy of letter already given to the Queen in January, 2008 by residential school survivors in Canada.Statement of William Arnold Combes



I am an Interior Salish spirit dancer and am 58 years old. I live in Vancouver, Canada.

I am a survivor of the Kamloops and Mission Indian residential schools, both run by the Roman Catholic church. I suffered terrible tortures there at the hands especially of Brother Murphy, who killed at least two children. I witnessed him throw a child off a three story balcony to her death. He put me on a rack and broke some of my bones, in the Kamloops school basement, after I tried running away.

I also saw him and another priest burying a child in the school orchard one night.

In September 1964 when I was 12 years old, I was an inmate at the Kamloops school and we were visited by the Queen of England and Prince Phillip. I remember it was strange because they came by themselves, no big fanfare or nothing. But I recognized them and the school principal told us it was the Queen and we all got given new clothes and good food for the first time in months the day before she arrived.

The day she got to the school, I was part of a group of kids that went on a picnic with the Queen and her husband and school officials, down to a meadow near Dead Man’s Creek. After awhile, I saw the Queen leave that picnic with ten children from the school, and those children never returned. We never heard anything more about them and never saw them again even when we were older. They were all from around there but they all vanished.

The group that disappeared was seven boys and three girls, in age from six to fourteen years old. I don’t remember their names, just an occasional first name like Cecilia and there was an Edward.

What happened was also witnessed by my friend George Adolph, who was 11 years old at the time and a student there too


__________ _______ __
William Arnold Combes
(signed and witnessed in the original)

February 3, 2010
Vancouver, Canada

———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ———
Media Advisory:

Public Notice

Letter of demand from the Elders and Members of the Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared

23rd January 2008

To: Elizabeth Windsor, aka “Queen of Great Britain”

Buckingham Palace

London, England

(Transmitted through the office and person of Michaelle Jean, Governor-General of Canada)

Dear Ms. Windsor,

This Public Letter of Demand is issued to you, Elizabeth Windsor, as one who claims the title and fiduciary responsibility of Queen of Great Britain and the Commonwealth, and Head of the Church of England in Canada, aka the Anglican Church.

We, as the friends and relatives of tens of thousands of children who died or were murdered in Indian Resedential Schools in canada established and run by your Church of England and the British Crown from 1867 to 1996, do hereby demand that you, Elizabeth Windsor, in your capacity of Queen of Great Britain and the Commonwealth, and head of the Church of England, publicly disclose the cause of death and whereabouts of the buried remains, of all children who died in Indian Residential Schools operated by the Church of England in Canada, aka the Anglican Church.

This Common law Notice also requires that you, Elizabeth Windsor. arrange the immediate repatriation without conditions of the remains of thesen persons to their holes for a proper burial.

This Common Law Notice also requires that you, Elizabeth Windsor, publicly name and surrender all persons in or employed by the Government of Canada and the Anglican Church who are responsible for or complicit in these deaths and disappearances, and all documents and evidence related to the same.

This Common Law Notice also requires that you, Elizabeth Windsor, compel Canada through its Governor-General to comply with these requirements of natural justice and international law.

If you, Elizabeth Windsor, fail to comply with these requirements within thirty(30) days of you recieving this notice through the medium of the Governor-General of Canada, it will be assumed that you do not dispute these claims contained herein, and legal action may be commenced against you.

Sincerely

Jeremiah Jourdain

on behalf of the Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared

isssued under the Tribal Land Law Juristiction of the Squamish Nation on unceded Squamish Territory

Read and Hear the truth of Genocide in Canada, past and present, at this website:www.hiddenfromhistory.org , and watch Kevin’s award-winning documentary film UNREPENTANT on the same website.
UNREPENTANT: Kevin Annett and Canada’s Genocide
– Winner, Best Foreign Documentary Film, Los Angeles Independent Film Festival, March 2007, Best Director of a Foreign Documentary, New York Independent Film Festival, October 2006
– Winner, Best Canadian Film, Creation Aboriginal Film Festival, Edmonton, 2009

“Kevin is more deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize than many who have received it in the past.” – Dr. Noam Chomsky
Institute Professor Emeritus
Massachusetts Institute of Technology


Unrepentant film here

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DPS yep I am hopeful too of a snowball, but you can only be hopeful, I too believe that these high profile charities are self-serving, I worked for one, The Childrens society and they are run much like the local authority, they announce multimillion pound new initiatives through the press and tv, then they tell the staff what’s expected of them but the money is never forthcoming just goes straight out the backdoor!  I worked for the Childrens Society as an advocate and I can tell you when I got the job I was in seventh heaven, I worked with a great crew whom really started to make waves in relation to child welfare and basic human rights, trouble is, it became to effective and pissed off the SS and town hall so much so that The Childrens Society packed up their shit and moved out of Wales with all that Welsh money they had raised and were still raising.  To smooth their way through departure, (to stop staff backlash) they made spurious unfounded accusations against two workers that never amounted to anything as both were totally absolved of guilt of course by the end of the process they were away on their heels, was a great way to silence everybody from speaking up about their dodgy actions.  Same when I worked for local authority as youth worker, another time though.  

Surely though people got to see the amount of money raised for Africa for forty years, live aid is global, nearly every developed nation collecting money and other forms of aid and for what, the odd little place where the cameras can set up and elude you to think but all the while they are chasing peoples from their home to mine oil and all the other precious minerals.  And cancer soon to be a week long television bonanza to raise awareness and dosh in the fight against a synthetic disease.  20 years ago a 1 in 20 chance of getting cancer, today 1 in 3, anyone else thinking hold on a minute that does not make scientific sense.  Bar that why aren’t they shouting pandemic as they would with flu or aids which never seemed amount to anything as what cancer is right now.  Cancer is in the air, it’s in the water, it’s in your food, well the list is too long,, by accident or design??  (Trillion pound industry)

Savile may not have been MK ultra’d but that does not mean he had not suffered some kind of mind control, when you consider the entertainment business became the new religion it could go a bit the same way, I am not excusing the man, that is pointless anyway He's not here. but we have to take one eye off him to beady eye the institutions.

Same as maybe a priest being subverted/perverted to keep him in line.  I query World War 2 how it is that the Vatican more or less sided with Hitler, but of course the French catholic church(the ruler of France at the time) used God to send masses of bible fearing Frenchmen to their death in Kamikaze fashion, believing it was Gods will because the local vicar said so???


Edit-  forgot to embed the sky clip!!! Embarassed
Regards Smilie_PDT
Carlisa

'More than 100 police' under suspicion in paedophilia crackdown

by MARTIN SMITH, Mail on Sunday

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A list of more than 2,400 Britons who the FBI believes have subscribed to paedophile websites contains the names of more than 100 police officers, including a detective chief superintendent, it was revealed last night.

But in what was developing into a major scandal, it was also disclosed that it could take under-funded British police up to five years to work their way through the list and bring the culprits to justice.

The list - which contained the names of the two Cambridgeshire police officers who worked on the Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells murder inquiry and who have since been charged with child pornography offences - was supplied to Britain's National Crime Squad after three people suspected of involvement in paedophile websites were arrested in Texas.

But last night it emerged that most of the 43 police forces in England and Wales working through the list do not have the resources to tackle it. Often the job is passed to private firms.

The arrests of 41-yearold Detective Constable Brian Stevens and PC Tony Goodridge, 34, who worked on the Soham inquiry, highlighted a huge problem which the Government has failed to address.

It was revealed that Stevens, assigned as family liaison officer to Jessica's parents, and Goodridge were on a list of 279 paedophile suspects in Cambridgeshire. It raised worrying questions about why they were assigned to the case after the force received the list in July.

The county's new Chief Constable, TomLloyd, said it was 'bad luck' that a shortage of officers meant the list was not examined before the ten-year-olds disappeared. But Cambridgeshire is just one of dozens of forces which just cannot cope with the high-tech crime.

Jack Straw, the former Home Secretary, attempted to address the problem last year when he set up the National High-Tech Crime Unit, but its budget was just £24 million over three years to tackle all computer offences including fraud, hacking, paedophilia, copyright theft and money laundering.

Only around 50 of the 2,400 people in the UK on the American list have been arrested, most of them high-profile targets such as police officers.

But senior police sources have told The Mail on Sunday that there are still at least 100 police officers on the list, including one detective chief superintendent, but it could be up to five years before they are apprehended.

One senior officer said: 'We are dealing with 21st Century criminals with 19th Century policing. This is an escalating problem but the powers that be have failed to take it seriously.'

In contrast to Britain, all 100 names supplied to Irish police were arrested on one morning. Another senior detective said: 'This is a national scandal which no one is doing anything about. The Government has not offered extra money and we simply do not have the resources.

'What concerns and disheartens many is that some of the offenders whose names we have been given are probably abusing children. In some cases our failure to act has enabled them to carry on with this behaviour.'

Scanning a suspected computer for images the user may have tried to delete or encrypt is a time-consuming process, taking up to a fortnight.

Clive Carmichael-Jones, from computer security firm Vogon said: 'We have a lot of sympathy for the police. They just do not have enough money to cope. They are not being properly trained and their technology is often years behind.'

Metropolitan Deputy Assistant Commissioner Carol Howlett, agrees that despite an 'increasing threat to children on the Internet', not enough priority is given to catching paedophiles.

As another senior officer told The Mail on Sunday: 'The Government says we are winning the fight against paedophiles but that is nonsense. Police forces across Britain are overwhelmed with child pornography and don't know what to do about it.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...ilia-crackdown.html#ixzz28o6D1zuQ


Tony Blair is apparently on the sex offenders, it’s not paedophilia but it certainly was a bargaining chip to force him to bury the list of paedophile MPs, that he did!
Anthony Charles Lynton Blair(Tony Blair,former PM of the UK)
Anthony Charles Lynton Blair(Tony Blair,former PM of the UK)

He was charged and appeared in court at Bow Street magistrates court for importunity in a public toilet with another male. He tried to get sexual favour from the other man, little did he know that the toilet was being watched by police. Blair was fined £500, and walked away with nobody knowing who he really was as he used his middle names to cover who he was. Charles Lynton is the name used, and his friends in court got him off with a fine, because he is one of them.

http://operationorethegambleconne...ony-charles-lynton-blairtony.html
Carlisa

Found this on a blog site called seancopland.com makes serious dark reading!

Warning quite graphic and in a glib manner and if true???


---I managed to get hold of a list of convicted sex offenders on the internet, so I decided to write a little search script, so you can see which ones live near you. Check it out using the box above.

They're just the ones who get arrested and convicted (based on media reports). In a country where no more than 5% of reported rapes end in conviction, there's plenty more that, with the right power and influence, are sure to remain at liberty all the while we're forced to live under a regime as fundamentally corrupt as ours.

I'm going to try and get some more soon, so check back often. In the meantime, here's a juicy selection of serious allegations that for one reason or another failed to result in convictions. All the same, I've managed to dig them out on the internet, and provide them 'as is' for your gossiping pleasure...

Hopefully, you'll be as excited as I was to see Tony Blair popping up as a gay sex offender!
Lord Graville Jenner (Labour Peer)
Jenner was accused of raping a 15 year old boy at the holiday in in Glasgow, the night before the boy was due to give evidence, the judge was taken out to dinner by the defense team for Jenner, and it was arranged that the boy was not allowed to Jenner in court as his rapist, or he would be in contempt of court. Jenner won his case and he walked in to the house of commons to a standing ovation by MP's. I stand by what i have said for many years, the house of commons and Lords are filled with perverts and rapists, and the police and the courts will defend them all the way, as they are all in the same private club.

Lord Kaufman (Labour Peer)
He is well known to police in London for sexually abusing young boys, he likes them under 12 when he can get them.

Lord Britton (Leon, former home sec when Maggie was in power)
He is very well known for raping young boys. The police raided his house when a young boy staggered in to the street half naked, and when police asked what happened he told them about Britton and his friends and took them to the house. When they called in to report what happened , they were ordered to take everyone in, and when they got there there were 2 officers from the security service waiting. The boys were paid off, and a short time later, Leon Britton was summoned to meet his fellow MP, William Hague on the beach in Brighton at 5.45 in the morning, where he was told that he was to be made commissioner for the UK, and he would not be allowed to be in politics again in the UK. That was how he became commissioner and he stayed there for many years, until the corruption inquiry went ahead, which saw a large number of people from different countries being made to resign.

Gordon Brown (former PM of the UK)
Brown is known for sexually abusing numerous boys, as well as girls. He is known for a particularly vile rape in Aberdeen in the 70's, when he and 2 others paid a prostitute for access to her 9 year old daughter. They all raped her several times, and some years later the girl went to court to get custody of her little brother because of her mother's abuse, and drug use. She won the case and has had custody of him ever since. The records have vanished from court, but the victim still remembers what happened, and who did it.

Anthony Charles Lynton Blair (Tony Blair,former PM of the UK)
He was charged and appeared in court at Bow Street magistrates court for importunity in a public toilet with another male. He tried to get sexual favour from the other man, little did he know that the toilet was being watched by police. Blair was fined £500, and walked away with nobody knowing who he really was as he used his middle names to cover who he was. Charles Lynton is the name used, and his friends in court got him off with a fine, because he is one of them.

Edward Heath (former PM of the UK)
He is very well known for his perverted abuse of young boys. I spoke to one of his victims and he told me about others who were present, and more important, who was supplying the children to him. The person bringing children for him to abuse is Sir Jimmy Saville. He was seen by the witness, victim, taking young boys onboard Heaths yacht the morning cloud when they were at party conference. Saville is known for supplying a number of high profile MP's with children for them to sexually abuse.

Lord Robertson (Former head of NATO)
He is very well known to police in the UK. He was removed by the US government because they found out about his perverted taste for boys. They were going to expose him if he did not resign, so we got the"I'm resigning for family reasons bull shit)Robertson is a dangerous predatory paedophile, but as bad as the one i am about to name next.

Lord Hardie
The former Lord Advocate for Scotland, is a known paedophile, who some years ago had his BMW stolen by 2 victims, when they were caught, Hardie told the police to let them go, and he did not bring charges against them. Why would a judge not charge them with theft, unless they had information which would destroy him.

Lord McAlpine (Former treasurer of the conservative party)
He is known to the police in the UK and abroad, for sexually abusing young boys, including using a coffin to put the boy in, then they simulate burying him by sprinkling gravel on the top of the coffin, the child is screaming with terror and will do whatever he is told due to being so scared of being put in the coffin again. This person is alleged to have murdered at least 2 boys and buried their bodies on his estate. I got this information from a police officer who was involved in investigating McAlpine, and he is certain that he has committed murder several times, but he is to well protected to get him.

Micheal Portilo (former MP Kensington & Chelsea
Portilo is well known within the conservative party, as are others for his perverse abuse of children. He also likes adults now and again, particularly his friend and fellow MP Peter Lilley. He was giving portilo a good time in the DTI building on the day of the 92 election, he was on his knees, (I'm sure i don't have to paint a picture for you). He also like Morocco Del sol, where he delights in having young boys for sexual abuse. He used to go to the same hotel and on one visit, he left top secret documents behind in connection with the UK's defense systems, was it an accident, or was he being blackmailed? He also goes to the Isle of White regularly with Lilley and other friends where they have access to children. He is disgusting and i want him in prison where he belongs.

more

http://www.seancopland.com/articl..._register_free_online_search.html
Carlisa

I wonder whether this shit is turning into an avalanche designed to wear the populous down into excepting looser laws(morals)!



FROM THE “TELEGRAPH”



Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child pornography law
Harriet Harman’s political judgement has been called into question after it emerged that she once advocated the watering down of child pornography laws.

The Leader of the House of Commons and Minister for Women and Equality, who also sits on a Cabinet committee on young people’s welfare, is being touted as a possible successor to Gordon Brown, .

But she faces fresh criticism from Opposition MPs and campaign groups after The Daily Telegraph obtained documents showing that she called on ministers to make sexually explicit photographs or films of children legal unless there was evidence that the subject had been harmed.

At the time she made the official submission, she was a senior figure in a civil liberties organisation that wanted the age of consent to be lowered to 14 and incest decriminalised. It also defended self-confessed paedophiles in the press and allowed them to attend its meetings.

Last night Tim Loughton, the Shadow Children’s Minister, said: “Clearly there is a serious conflict of interest with the committees she sits on, who might want urgently to clarify her position on the exploitation of children for the sexual gratification of adults.

“It’s a shame that Miss Harman’s zeal for positive discrimination and all things politically correct among adults does not extend to the exploitation of children. Any child who is used for the sexual gratification of adults counts as an abused child and needs protecting.”

Miss Harman, 58, was a newly qualified solicitor when she became legal officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties, now known as Liberty, in 1978. At the time its general secretary was Patricia Hewitt, who went on to become health secretary under Tony Blair.

Among the groups affiliated to NCCL were the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for Liberation, whose members argued openly for the abolition of the age of consent. NCCL complained to the press watchdog about their treatment by tabloid newspapers and said in one article: “We support any organisation that seeks to campaign for anything it wants within the law. They have that right.”

In NCCL’s official response to the Government’s plans to reform sex laws, dubbed a “Lolita’s Charter”, it suggested reducing the age of consent and argued that “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage”. It claimed that children can suffer more from having to retell their experiences in court or the press.

Amid growing public concern about adults preying on children, the Protection of Children Bill was put before Parliament in order to tighten the laws on child pornography by banning indecent images of under-16s.

NCCL’s official response, signed by Miss Harman and submitted in April 1978, claimed that the new law could lead to “damaging and absurd prosecutions” and “increase censorship”.

She suggested that a pornographic photo or film of a child should not be considered indecent unless it could be shown that the subject had suffered, and that prosecutors would have to prove harm rather than defendants having to justify themselves.

Her submission states: “Although this harm may be of a somewhat speculative nature, where participation falls short of physical assault, it is none-the-less justifiable to restrain activities by photographer which involve placing children under the age of 14 (or, arguably, 16) in sexual situations.

“We suggest that the term 'indecent’ be qualified as follows: – A photograph or film shall not for this purpose be considered indecent (a) by reason only that the model is in a state of undress (whether complete or partial); (b) unless it is proved or is to be inferred from the photograph or film that the making of the photograph or film might reasonably be expected to have caused the model physical harm or pronounced psychological or emotional disorder.”

It adds: “Our amendment places the onus of proof on the prosecution to show that the child was actually harmed.”

Miss Harman left NCCL in 1982 when she was elected MP for Camberwell and Peckham, by which time several members of PIE had been jailed for conspiracy to corrupt public morals.

A spokesman for Miss Harman said: “She has always opposed child pornography and has never supported PIE and to suggest that she did is untrue and misleading.

“NCCL’s approach to the protection of children’s bill was to argue for clear definitions in the bill to make sure the law was precise so that it was about child protection and not about censorship.”

The spokesman added: “PIE had been excluded from the NCCL before she became legal officer.”

However press cuttings from 1983 make it clear that it was still considered an “affiliate group”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/p...r-down-child-pornography-law.html
Carlisa

Dublane Questions-


By Mike James in Germany – 28 February 2010

Michael James, an English patriot, is a blacklisted and surveilled former freelance journalist resident in Zionist-occupied Germany since 1992 with additional long-haul stays in East Africa, Poland and Switzerland. He advocates a Leaderless Resistance to destroy the Soviet European Union and is actively working towards a free and independent England.
In the early months of 2003, just prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq, and working in conjunction with a London-based freelance journalist who had thoroughly double-checked exposures published by the Scottish ‘Sunday Herald’ newspaper, I publicised details of a child-sex ring linked to senior ministers within the Blair government.

I initially published my findings, stemming from discreet leaks from a secret list provided by the American FBI to the ‘Sunday Times’ newspaper, and concomitantly discovered that Tony Blair had issued a gagging order to suppress all further discussion of a scandal that would most certainly have brought a swift end to his administration and made Britain’s collusion in the destruction of Iraq impossible.

The articles I wrote concerning the “Operation Ore” cover-up and the 100-year blackout order imposed upon the report concerning the Dunblane massacre of children used and abused by senior Scottish Labour government ministers can still be found here:

((sorry I have removed the links because as it happens  the links have been broken, though the pages are still to be found with a little search, will post them when I have located them!))




These stories, which also implicated the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith, former NATO Boss Lord Robertson, and the Svengali of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown’s rise to power, the flamboyant homosexual Peter Mandelson (now Lord Mandelson), were widely publicised on the Internet, excited debate within numerous online forums, and inspired Robert Kilroy-Silk’s former Veritas Party to undertake a detailed examination of the extent to which senior and junior ministers close to Gordon Brown were given free licence to engage in paedophiliac activities under the protection of the British intelligence services.

The Sunday Herald’s incendiary story (“Child Porn Arrests Too Slow”, 19 January 2003), written by its Home Affair’s correspondent Neil Mackay, disappeared rapidly from the Internet within weeks of my exposure. Mackay’s editor, at first cooperative, subsequently refused to answer any further enquiries put to him by myself and the freelance journalist Bob Kearley.

Each and every letter I sent to the British Home Office, Scotland Yard and the Sunday Times solicited not one single reply.



Lord Robertson, a self-confessed Freemasonic member of Edinburgh’s sinister “Speculative Society” lodge, who enjoyed a peculiarly close personal relationship with Thomas Hamilton, the mass murderer of abused children in Dunblane, failed to sue the Sunday Herald for libel and promptly disappeared from public life. Police records revealed that Robertson had helped expedite the process by which the Manchurian Candidate, Hamilton, already a convicted child molester with known affiliations to the British elite, was able to obtain gun licenses.

Roberston worked in collusion with Michael Forsyth (Secretary of State for Scotland), a fellow “Speculative Freemason” and Robert Bell, an associate of Malcolm Rifkind (British Foreign Secretary). Robertson, at the behest of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, had a vested interest in ‘wasting’ children who were beginning to talk.

On 13 March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a former Boy Scout leader walked into Dunblane Primary School armed with two 9 mm pistols and two .357 Magnum revolvers. He killed sixteen small children and a teacher. The subsequent police investigation revealed that Hamilton had loaded the magazines for his Browning with an alternating combination of fully metal-jacketed and hollow point ammunition. This horrific event led to the banning of handguns in the UK. [How convenient.]

The Judge who conducted the inquiry into the atrocity, during which two teachers claimed to have seen another mysterious man “guiding” Hamilton onto the premises, was Lord Cullen. Cullen, also a member of the Freemasonic Speculative Society and an associate of Labour “Scottish Mafia” figures such as Lord Robertson, Tony Blair, John Reid and Gordon Brown, was accused by leading journalists and emergency service personnel of having achieved a cover-up.

According to journalist Marcello Mega, in The News of the World, 28 December 2003:

1. A top Scottish Freemason, Former Grand Master Lord Burton, has said that Lord Cullen’s inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a cover-up.

Lord Burton says Cullen’s inquiry suppressed crucial information to protect high-profile legal figures.

2. These high-profile legal figures may belong to a secretive ‘Super-Mason’ group called The Speculative Society.

Lord Burton said: “I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society. The society was formed in Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route.” Reportedly, members of the Speculative Society have included Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates.

3. Some of these high-profile people had links to the Queen Victoria School ‘where gunman Thomas Hamilton was allowed to roam free before the 1996 atrocity’.

4. Reportedly the police are investigating claims that pupils at Queen Victoria School were regularly taken away and sexually abused.

5. Former housemaster Glenn Harrison told the News of the World how he even found Hamilton, 43, creeping around the dormitories at night. He said Hamilton had close links to a top policeman. Glenn was never called to give evidence at the Cullen Inquiry.

6. Lord Burton said: “I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them.” ( According to this source Cached – ‘Malcolm Rifkind’s friend and his then Chairman of his constituency party at Edinburgh Pentlands, Robert Bell, according to the front page lead of the Edinburgh Evening News on 23 March 1996, sold guns and ammunition to Thomas Hamilton only a few weeks before the Dunblane massacre, and it was reported he said he would sell him guns again.’)

8. Glenn Harrison had kept dozens of files from pupils alleging bullying and abuse while he was at the Queen Victoria School and wrote to parents warning of the dangers in 1991. It led to him being ousted from the school and just days before he left, police raided his home and confiscated the files.

9. Glenn states that Hamilton had been a friend of Ben Philip, the senior housemaster at QVS. Mr Philip died in December 1993, aged 46, when he fell from a ladder while hanging decorations.

http://scot-land.blogspot.com/200...rd-cullen-dunblane-lockerbie.html

For William Burns’ further elucidation of the cover-up, please see Ref. 3.

Alan Milburn, a close ally of Tony Blair, also resigned dramatically from the senior benches of the Labour Party government shortly after Scotland Yard’s anti-paedophile investigation was suppressed by the Blair administration, citing the need to “spend more time with my family”.

For some reason, the abduction of Scottish children for the purpose of rape and murder, always closely linked to senior Labour Party political figures, continues unabated.

Pressure on Police to Release Paedophile Dossier
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article708514.ece

Although Labour Supremo Peter Mandelson’s alleged role in the kidnapping of young girls and boys for the “pleasuring” of the European Union’s elite commissioners in Brussels was the subject of intense speculation long before the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I can now bring to a close all speculation as to the name of Tony Blair’s most “highly placed and senior politician” who fell not only under the scrutiny of Scotland Yard for crimes against children, but was also identified by the FBI as an active member of the paedophile ring run by Thomas Hamilton.

That name was first revealed to me by Norman Lamont at a private party in Clapham in 1986, during which time I worked as a scriptwriter for the British television media. Lamont later became Chancellor of the Exchequer under John Major’s Conservative administration. Following investigations in 2003 on both my and Bob Kearley’s part, that name cropped up time and time again, and I passed the details to Internet journalist Paul Joseph Watson.

Gordon Brown, the current British Prime Minister, is a practising paedophile whose activities are known not only to the British, American and Israeli intelligence services, but also by Rupert Murdoch and his senior editor at the Sunday Times.


http://mccannexposure.wordpress.c...ier-gordon-brown-is-a-paedophile/
Angryhead

deadpeoplestuff wrote:
Angry

Well that 'gut feel' of yours is working well my friend - he is a controller - a military asset (MI5/6) just as 'shock horror' Simon Cowell

I know we have been here already, but it is said that the Military Intelligence control the entire music industry globally...can't say Im at all surprised about that revelation

As you know, Ive always maintained that it was both music and tv that has been co-opted to control us all...and that only the high level Masons are party to this 'inner circle'

It makes me wonder if he (Savile) used the 'ripper' Sutcliffe for dark deeds or even as a patsy for victims of abuse (ritual murder?)

This is a dark and tangled web




Hi, DPS.

I haven't heard about the MI5/6 links concerning Savile, but the more that comes out about him - and in particular the revelations surrounding his close-knit links to Peter Sutcliffe and Broadmoor - the more this stinks of MK.

Taken from 'MailOnline' (October 11th 2012)

Savile had set of Broadmoor keys: As scandal grows, how sick star had access to mentally ill patients
Jimmy Savile was given his own keys to high-security Broadmoor mental hospital, it emerged yesterday.
The gold-plated set was presented to the predatory paedophile as a reward for his volunteering, and gave him access to mentally ill patients, it was claimed.
The extraordinary revelation came as NHS chiefs came under mounting pressure to start an inquiry into Savile’s freedom to sexually abuse child patients.

He was given bedrooms or an office at three hospitals, and yesterday more former patients came forward to say he abused them on children’s wards.
There are growing fears NHS bosses turned a blind eye to sick and disabled children being attacked by Savile because he raised so much money for them.

The TV entertainer volunteered as a porter to gain access to children recovering from cancer and brain surgery, and sexually assault them. He said hospital chiefs ‘realised I might be useful to them’ and boasted he was ‘untouchable’.

A former Stoke Mandeville nurse yesterday claimed managers were ‘well aware’ that Savile – given a bedroom at the hospital for two decades – was a child abuser. Holly, from Dover, told LBC radio: ‘Jimmy Savile molested one of the patients on the paediatric unit. He was not supposed to go on any children’s wards unaccompanied.
‘Stoke Mandeville were well aware of what was going on. For them to say now they knew nothing is complete lies. They knew. It makes me so angry. He raised all this money for them. There has been a massive cover-up.’
The National Association for People Abused in Childhood said it had been ‘inundated’ with calls about Savile. Chief executive Pete Saunders said: ‘Two this morning told us that not only did Jimmy Savile abuse them at Stoke Mandeville but a doctor did as well.’

One Broadmoor victim claimed the Top Of The Pops presenter put his hand up her nightdress when she was 17 after walking in on a group of girls watching TV in 1969.
Alison Pink said: ‘I felt absolutely disgusting afterwards, like I had been used as a piece of meat for his sexual gratification.’

She said Savile kept his own mobile home in the grounds of the Berkshire hospital, where patients include Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe.

‘He definitely had his own keys – they were gold, especially for him. Both male and female patients thought it was very strange. He could access any of the girls’ bedrooms.’
Alison, who has since had a sex change and is now Steven George, 60, of Portsmouth, added: ‘He made very good friends with patients on the male ward, which was full of sex offenders.’
Broadmoor hospital did not deny Savile had been given keys, but said the allegations related to a time when it was run as a ‘separate, somewhat isolated’ organisation. A spokesman said volunteer access and activity at Broadmoor was now strictly controlled and the hospital operated ‘within strict child and adult safeguarding guidelines’.
Meanwhile, psychiatric nurse Naomi Stanley told the Guardian that a patient told her she had been frequently abused by the star while she was in hospital in the 1980s.
She said the young woman said Savile had raped her repeatedly near the stage of the theatre at the hospital and that Savile had claimed 'nobody would believe her and he could do what he liked' when she threatened to report him.
The woman told the nurse Savile was 'very forceful' and 'treated her like she was an animal', and the nurse was left with no doubt the woman was extremely distressed by the alleged attacks.
Leeds General Infirmary, where Savile raised also millions of pounds and was given his own office, has declared ‘shock’ at claims he groped vulnerable children recovering from surgery while volunteering as a porter. Two more victims came forward there yesterday.
Thirteen police forces have now taken statements from people claiming they were raped or molested when they were children by the late BBC presenter, who died last October aged 84.

Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust, which is responsible for Stoke Mandeville, said it was supporting the police inquiries and would take further action ‘if their findings suggest that we do need to’. It also said it had advised staff to contact police if they had any concerns.
West London Mental Health Trust, which covers Broadmoor, said it had not received any allegations of abuse from patients, their representatives or from staff, but would co-operate with police if they investigated.



Full story (and video testimony by a "victim") here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...atients.html?ICO=most_read_module



DPS... yes, we've both discussed the links between record companies and the defence industry before. It's something I've heard a little bit about but never been able to find anything 'concrete' on. However, EMI were involved in an arms scandal some years back, and I've since learned that 'Decca' records was involved in this industry too (although I've yet to verify this). This is something I'd like to explore further for my blog in future. Many of these companies were stablished in radar-systems, e.t.c. during the time they were formed. God knows how they used this technology in the transmission of soundwaves via music and recorded sound.

Again... Simon Cowell... ditto. As mentioned on a previous post, he did stump up tens of thousands for Jonathan King's bail money! The 'X-Factor' so-called "mentor stable" is rather interesting too, as is his relationship with the singer Sinitta (who he began dating when she was still at school in the 1980s... this is not a 'rumour', this is well-founded fact based on Sinitta's own accounts). She also says she has a "life-size cardboard cut-out" of him in her house. There's other clues too.

Interestingly...

Taken from the 'MailOnline' (October 6th 2012)...

DJ Liz Kershaw to expose 'gropers' and sexual predators at Radio 1
BBC Radio 6 DJ has said a male colleague repeatedly 'fondled her breasts' while she was on air

Liz Kershaw said she will meet with BBC director-general George Entwistle and 'tell him everything I know'

BBC Radio DJ Liz Kershaw is to lift the lid on the culture of sexual harassment at Radio 1 after sensationally revealing she was groped while broadcasting live for the station.
Kershaw, 54, has been asked  to meet with George Entwistle, the corporation’s new director-general, after she told yesterday’s Today programme that a male colleague had repeatedly ‘fondled her breasts’ while she was on air.  
In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the BBC Radio 6 Music presenter said she would name male contemporaries who had sex with Radio 1 and  Top Of The Pops fans as well as junior colleagues.

She said: ‘The rumours were there, the jokes were there and  it was an open secret.
‘With all the piety about him when he died last year I was rather sickened, and I thought “why don’t people say what he was really like”. The main jokes were about his adventures on the Radio 1 roadshow when they went around the country.
‘It was massive then. It was rather like the X Factor going around the country then. Can you imagine the X Factor judges rounding up the contestants and asking for sexual favours after the show? I don’t think so.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...rs-Radio-1.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



Huh... don't be so sure dear! That last quote is quite ... well... interesting!

Oh, yes, DPS. Rearding this:


Quote:
I don't know why....

but for the first time in some years...I watched the BBC 'news' magazine prog this morning (Buggerlugs Mar) and this story is already being 'managed'

They are steering this towards the inappropriate sexual behavior towards women in the workplace...a grope and tickle from someone who should know better sort of thing...



Interesting... would this be the same man that was in trouble a few weeks ago for this?:

I'm a grown-up and should have known better, admits Andrew Marr over drunken embrace with a colleague
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshow...woman-outside-Soho-nightclub.html





Look... don't get me wrong. I'm not a prude, and I'm well aware of what goes on at the workplace, but if your judgement of that Andrew Marr morning programme is what you say it was, DPS, then it looks like another sign of the murky 'closed network' going on at the BBC and their attempt to downplay it. According to former Radio1 DJ Liz Kerhaw, when she complained about a fellow DJ "putting his hand up her shirt and fondling her breasts," her boss at the station said, "why? What's the problem? Are you a lesbian?!"

DLT (another former Radio1 'jock') has since been implicated too.

By the way... here's another classic case of BBC staff coming forward to downplay the Savile allegations (and not making a great job of it). None other than the 'blandie' himself, former Radio1 DJ (and BBCTV presenter), Mike Smith (huh... "bland" ain't the word!):

'More camp than predatory': Former Radio 1 DJ Mike Smith hits out at Savile 'witch hunt' and dismisses groping in studio as just 'mucking about'
Distressing allegations by Radio 1 DJ Liz Kershaw that her breasts were regularly groped live on air by a colleague were today dismissed by a fellow broadcaster as a 'practical joke', 'mucking around' and schoolboy 'joshing'.
Breakfast presenter in the 1980s, Mike Smith, has accused Ms Kershaw of smearing 'an awful lot of innocent, hard-working people' at the BBC, which he called a 'heinous crime'.

'I don't know which of the schoolboys stuck his hands where they shouldn't be. And, frankly, I don't know why Liz can't name him. But if this "trick" happened, it was a specific case,' he wrote on his website.

Later on 5Live he said: 'I think she’s guilty of generalising from the particular, which is a heinous crime.
Mr Smith said that Savile was a 'strange guy' but added the atmosphere at Radio 1 - where many attacks are alleged to have taken place - was 'more camp than predatory'.

'There’s a danger here that an awful lot of innocent, good people are going to be smeared by the comments of Liz Kershaw.
'This witch hunt has got to stop.
'I’ve opened myself up now to the feminists attacking me – is it a crime?
'If Liz was genuinely threatened by this and couldn’t deal with it, yes that was a crime and that should be dealt with.'
When asked why it wouldn't be a crime he said: 'When you’ve got consenting people mucking about, you know, that’s when it’s not a crime.
'If that happened it’s absolutely appalling and I’m not supporting it in any way. Those sorts of practical joke.

'I’m not saying this is a good thing, what I’m saying is that there was a lot of joshing around that went on and quite often you would have male DJs trying to put off other male DJs.'
Mr Smith, who joined Radio 1 in 1982 married fellow star Sarah Greene in 1989, said anyone who was attacked at the BBC must 'name names', adding that Savile was seen as an 'untouchable' 'god'
'The problem is you haven't got enough pages to debate this; it has been blown out of all proportion,' he went on.

'And of course we're missing, as ever, the real nub of this story, and that is tracking down the poor people affected by Jimmy Savile.
'It has been blown into something else by other people. It's going to get confused and lost in the mists of time if we don't watch it.'
Liz Kershaw said this week she was looking forward to telling BBC boss George Entwistle ‘everything that I know’ after revealing how the male colleague had repeatedly ‘fondled her breasts’ on air in the late 1980s.
She declined to identify the groper, described as a former household name, but said she would also name other male contemporaries who had sex with Radio 1 and Top of the Pops fans.



Full story here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...groping-studio-mucking-about.html



Incidentally... Mike Smith used to co-present the BBC 'tea-time' show 'The Late, Late Breakfast Show' with John Peel.



Okay... some other items... More hints that all of this goes 'high up'...

Taken from 'The Telegraph' (October 4th 2012)...

Sir Jimmy Savile: Prince Charles’s love for Savile's 'ladies’
In light of ITV’s damning documentary about Sir Jimmy Savile’s sexual abuse of girls, the Prince of Wales may regret the closeness of their friendship.
On one Christmas card that Prince Charles sent to the television presenter, who, as we now know, was interviewed by police in 2007, he wrote: “Jimmy, with affectionate greetings from Charles. Give my love to your ladies in Scotland.”
The “ladies” are thought to be the women dressed in waitresses’ outfits, with the initials H, R and H on their aprons, who served Prince Charles when he dined with Sir Jimmy at the BBC presenter’s cottage in Glencoe, in the Highlands, in 1999.
At the time, a grinning Sir Jimmy explained: “I’ve had a few nosh-ups with the royals and I thought it was time I returned the hospitality.”
The Christmas card went under the hammer in July at a charity auction, which also featured a set of photographs of Sir Jimmy with the heir to the throne.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/p...less-love-for-Saviles-ladies.html



A rather 'friendly' embrace...




Carlisa... thanks for the doucumentation regarding paedophiles and the EU. I've read and heard about this a number of times but was always unable to find the name of the documents so that I could explore it further. Thanks for posting up the pics of them. You've given me something to pursue there  Smilie_PDT

By the way... this might interest you, mate...

Taken from 'MailOnline' (October 13th 2012)...

'I told Esther Rantzen about Jimmy Savile molesting young girls': Sex abuse victim claims she told ChildLine founder about vile accusations
A victim of sexual abuse claims that she tried to tell Esther Rantzen about rumours that Jimmy Savile molested youngsters.
Shy Keenan says she spoke up about the horrifying claims against the Jim'll Fix It star 18 years ago but nobody acted on her concerns, it was reported.
Ms Keenan, who was abused as a child, decided to tell Ms Rantzen after they were introduced through a sex offender specialist.
The rumours surrounding the television presenter claim that the television presenter molested underage children and abused sick children in their hospital beds.
Ms Keenan, 49, who founded Phoenix Survivors, a charity that supports child sex abuse victims and their families, says she heard the rumours and believed she a had a 'duty' to raise the alarm.
She told The Sun newspaper: 'I was shocked by what I had heard so I thought I would tell Esther about it'.
Ms Keenan says following the conversation with Ms Rantzen , during which she suggested ideas about to help victims like herself, nothing was done.
Ms Rantzen, 72, told The Sun that she does not recall having the conversation but admitted it is a 'possibility' that she would have spoken to Ms Keenan.
She did deny that Jimmy Savile's name was ever mentioned during the conversation.
She said: 'I do not believe she ever named Jimmy Savile or any other perpetrator .'
Ms Rantzen said she would have advised the person to support the alleged victims and contact the police.

Ms Rantzen has earlier said that she was 'fooled' by Jimmy Savile into thinking he was a saint, and berated herself for ignoring rumours that swirled around the star at the time.
She said: ''I felt to blame. I felt Jim had persuaded us all, audiences, fans, television professionals, even the Pope, to create a myth around Saintly Jim so that he became untouchable.'



Full article here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...ine-founder-vile-accusations.html



Still sticking with Esther Rancid... in an earlier post, I hinted that Brian Gerrish was told about a child abuse victim who contacted 'Childline' but was then brushed off.
Gerrish talks about this in his latest 'UK Column Live' radio show with special guest Bill Maloney from 'Pie 'n' Mash Films.' He says a woman phoned up 'Childline' and reported the alleged abuse. Eventually, she was put through to Esther herself. Initially, all went well. There were friendly e-mails (helpful and supportive), but then, when the alleged perpertrator was getting squeezed a little by the allegations and when it looked as though some results might be forthcoming... all communication stopped. In the following interview, Maloney calls Rancid "a bitch."
They also talk about Savile and all the various claims made in previous posts here (i.e. Ted Heath, Jersey, MI5/security services, e.t.c.). It's still worth a watch though. If you want to skip all the peripherals and get straight to the Maloney/Gerrish conversation, then move the 'YouTube' player to 35mins. Maloney also talks about his own struggle to deal with the Mind-Control he was subjected to as a child in various homes and institutions...

UK Column Live - 11th October 2012 - Bill Maloney

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Today's UK Column Live features a hard hitting interview with Bill Maloney, long time campaigner on childrens issues, and owner of Pie'n'Mash films. Bill discusses Jimmy Savile's links to Broadmore and Peter Sutcliffe one day before the mainstream media - coincidence? Shocked
deadpeoplestuff

I have the gift....some gift! I knew this was going to be THE story...I hope and pray (really!) that this will go the distance and bring it all into the light

I'm really glad to see Bill Maloney being interviewed in by Brian Gerrish. The guy is a regular honey badger (he don't give a shit) and will take his camera into battle..

I understand Mike Smith's reticence up to a point - because they are trying to ring fence (containment) as illustrated on Newsnight last evening...to make this about office groping and casual sex with young pubescent girls (always the innuendo or mere hint that they were 'available) and so not surprisingly - he and many others may well get swept up in all of this mess

However, I have some degree of sympathy with him (not much..) because what this is really about goes to a much darker and more evil place.

This is where the rubber meets the road - with the abusers (perverts) being both handlers and procurers of children for base sex and ritual torture/murder in the form of snuff movies - long since used by the global intelligence networks to blackmail and control the so called elites (power money politicos) and of course monarchy...and their partners - the priesthood class

It should also include the use of mind control and hypnotism and all that it has brought about - as this runs throughout the 'entertainment world' where the young and beautiful people have been used for sex and even breeding purposes...yes, you read this correctly, actors have been mated with actresses to produce stables of future mind controlled sex toys /actors/singers - many having been abused to create 'alters'

I was just reading about the number of men Elizabeth Taylor managed to fuck...its some list....but she started at 15 (Ronald Reagan apparently...) oh...and JFK...guess he should have learned how to duck as well as fuck!
under no illusion

(I'm still not getting post notifications on this thread. Nothing in my spam bin.)

Cheers for posting the UK Column link AH. I listened to it last night. Has anyone seen the 'Sun Sea & Satan' documentary about Jersey?
Carlisa

under no illusion wrote:
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Cheers for posting the UK Column link AH. I listened to it last night. Has anyone seen the 'Sun Sea & Satan' documentary about Jersey?



If you delete a post notification email having not opened it, that will disable post notifications  on that thread until you recontinue your interest in that thread!

Barring that,, it could be due to the same curious/spurious reasons that the forum clock is out by one hour which makes 2 to me being in france, viewing figures on some threads remain frozen at times and the other one whereby you note the forum says post was posted an hour ago but in actual fact you may have visited that thread 5-10 minutes ago and it was not there and hence I end up posting over someone responding to something that has already been responded to!

Now I thought this forum was supposed to be automated, but it would seem that is not the case and it seems somebody is physically running this? Confused
jackchit

well it's not me..
Carlisa

Smilie_PDT Jac,  I’m not pointing an accusatory finger at anybody, just raising the issue “how free is the forum”?, I am laughing at the irony of some of the French advertisements on top of page that flash me the ‘one eye’ or the ‘eye of Horus’ and even ‘illuminati’ hand sign on occasions.  I don’t really give two hoots any how what’s driving it or whom decided to give us a playground to play in, just kind of feel the net curtain is twitching or maybe coming down, c’est la vie!!!  Smilie_PDT  

And back on topic is this article from the Telegraph dated 2006 which pats DPS nicely on the back for drawing the MI5/MI6 connections!
Revealed: how the BBC used MI5 to vet thousands of staff

Some of the biggest names were probably vetted


By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor
12:01AM BST 02 Jul 2006

It is a tale of secret agents and surveillance that could have come straight out the BBC's classic spy drama Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

But the difference is that genuine spies were involved and they were operating behind the scenes at Broadcasting House rather than on the small screen.



Confidential papers, obtained by The Sunday Telegraph, have revealed that the BBC allowed MI5 to investigate the backgrounds and political affiliations of -thousands of its employees, including newsreaders, reporters and continuity announcers.

The files, which shed light on the BBC's hitherto secret links with the Security Service, show that at one stage it was responsible for vetting 6,300 different BBC posts - almost a third of the total workforce.

They also confirm that the corporation held a list of "subversive organisations" and that evidence of certain kinds of political activity could be a bar to appointment or promotion.

The BBC's reliance on MI5 reached a peak in the late 1970s and early 1980s at exactly the same time as millions of viewers were tuning into the fictional adventures of George Smiley in Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and -Smiley's People.

David Dimbleby, John Humphrys and Anna Ford all began their careers with the broadcaster when the system was still in place.

The papers show that senior BBC figures covered up these links in the face of awkward questions from trade unions and the press. The documents refer to a "defensive strategy" based on "categorical denial". One file note, dated March 1 1985, states: "Keep head down and stonewall all questions."

The BBC, however, has always refused to be drawn on the extent of its collaboration with the secret services.

It is only now, after a request by this newspaper under the Freedom of Information Act, that it has finally been willing to release details of the vetting operation.

Another internal BBC document, dated 1983, confirms: "We supply personal details to the Security Service. If there is any adverse information known, we receive this information and also, where necessary, an assessment based upon the involvement of the individual. This is presented to us as advice; line management then make the decision as to action."

The documents do not name any of the individuals subjected to vetting, but it is possible that some of the BBC's biggest names were scrutinised.

Different posts were vetted for different reasons. Senior officials, including the director-general, and their support staff were checked because they had access to confidential government information in relation to their jobs. But thousands of employees were vetted because they were involved in live broadcasts and the BBC was worried about the possibility of on-air bias or disruption.

In 1983, 5,728 BBC jobs were subjected to this second kind of scrutiny known as "counter-subversion vetting".

The vetting system, which was phased out in the late 1980s, also applied to dozens of other employees, including television producers, directors, sound engineers, secretaries and researchers.

The details of freelance television and radio staff were also routinely passed on to the security services and even the posts of editor and deputy editor of Radio 4's Woman's Hour were subject to background checks by MI5. In many cases, the spouses of applicants were also subjected to scrutiny.

The BBC tried on several occasions to be more open about the system, but was blocked by the Security Service. A memo, dated March 7 1985, states: "Secrecy of the complete vetting operation is imposed upon us by the Security Service - it is not of our making."

For their part, the security services were increasingly concerned about the number of people being referred to them by the BBC. During the first four months of 1983, they were asked to investigate 619 different individuals.

In the early 1980s, the BBC had a list of "major subversive organisations", which included the Communist Party, the Socialist Workers' Party, the Workers' Revolutionary Party, Militant Tendency, the National Front and the British National Party.

In contrast, CND, which was very popular at the time, was not regarded as a "subversive organisation". Youthful attachments to extreme causes did not necessarily mean an automatic ban on employment.

The papers show that, in 1968, Sir Hugh Greene, the BBC's then director-general, and John Arkell, the head of administration, successfully evaded questions on the issue during an interview with a journalist.

A memo from Mr Arkell, dated March 1 1968, to another senior colleague states: "You might like to get a bit of credit for the BBC next time you talk to MI5 by telling them that I stuck resolutely to the brief which you prepared for me in spite of very pointed and penetrating questions.

"I still denied that we had any vetting procedures."

The BBC declined to -comment.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/u...I5-to-vet-thousands-of-staff.html



Smilie_PDT
under no illusion

Great post Carlisa! And thanks for that Telegraph article!

I like to see the BBC get its Karma!
deadpeoplestuff

One by one, brick by brick, these once 'great' institutions are being taken down...while it may seem somewhat premature to talk of their demise...as they may well lumber on a while longer yet... I can't help but see this as the beginning of the end - there can be no coincidence here readers...we are witnessing the work of a far greater power at work here

The simple truth is that these institutions have never been great - it was all smoke and mirrors - perception management - because they have never really served the people, at least, not as they have served their masters, and of course they strive to keep all of us in the dark...confused and afraid...outraged and disgusted...all the while pulling the strings

If you haven't already - stop paying your license fee. These so called high minded 'academics' of these vast edifices (ha!) have been living high on the hog for far too long - paid princely sums, indulged like spoiled pets, whose ego's have been unleashed on a gullible fawning public

Enough is Enough I say
jackchit

Carlisa wrote:
Smilie_PDT Jac,  I’m not pointing an accusatory finger at anybody, just raising the issue “how free is the forum”?, I am laughing at the irony of some of the French advertisements on top of page that flash me the ‘one eye’ or the ‘eye of Horus’ and even ‘illuminati’ hand sign on occasions.  I don’t really give two hoots any how what’s driving it or whom decided to give us a playground to play in, just kind of feel the net curtain is twitching or maybe coming down, c’est la vie!!!  Smilie_PDT  



Hey Carlisa, I was posting tongue in cheek although I understand the context is hard to decipher on a forum..

Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
Angryhead

deadpeoplestuff wrote:


I understand Mike Smith's reticence up to a point - because they are trying to ring fence (containment) as illustrated on Newsnight last evening...to make this about office groping and casual sex with young pubescent girls (always the innuendo or mere hint that they were 'available) and so not surprisingly - he and many others may well get swept up in all of this mess

However, I have some degree of sympathy with him (not much..) because what this is really about goes to a much darker and more evil place.




Hi, DPS. Yes... I see where you're coming from and the thought did occur to me too... Additionally, Mike Smith's public stance is perhaps his way of adding some damage limitation in preparation for any future 'revelations' that may or may not implicate him and/or his former colleagues.


By the way guys... I don't know if any ones' noticed, but this thread has had an amazing amount of hits... in fact, it’s unprecedented. I understand this is not only due to posters and/or members of this forum who regularly read or take part, but also people from other so-called "conspiracy" forums and - more importantly - one or two mainstream ones popping in to take a look.

As a few of us have mentioned here already, the Jimmy Savile revelations have the potential to bring the House of Cards crashing down - not only because of his alleged links to 'higher ups', but because the mainstream population aren't finding it difficult to take in some of the shocking claims already made (after all, I bet most of us here over the last few weeks have heard at least one person say, "I'm not surprised. I always thought Savile was a bit creepy."). Will it bring it ‘all‘ down?... Dunno.

Also... for the first time (in terms of sheer size of scale), the mainstream news media outlets are reporting on events that the Alternative media were covering almost two decades ago - to the point of almost parrotting them. In short, the fringes are leading the way, and people within the "mainstream" (I don't like to use the term, "sheeple") are finding themselves landing up on sites like this to make some sense of it all. That's why I think it's important to keep this thread ‘alive’ with any info that might help us spread some awareness. I’ll certainly do my best in that respect.

Yes… Slowly, but surely, stories that have been covered by 'Alt' researchers regarding Satanic rituals among the "Elite" and the involvement of children in some shape or form over the years, are merging into these Savile allegations. The latest case in point is the Jersey home, Haute de la Garenne.

UNI… yes… I’ve seen ‘Sun, Sea & Satan.’ It’s hard-hitting, shocking (although not surprising), thought-provoking and emotional (I’ll admit, I shed a tear or two watching this). It also goes some way to showing solid evidence of all the nasty things we so-called “die hards” have heard or read about in our years of research regarding the “Elites” and their dark practises. When you watch the documentary, you’ll see what I mean.
For the sake of any one unaware of the details, it concentrates on the former childrens’ home / hostel in Jersey, Haute de la Garenne where allegations of child abuse - and possibly murder - were made. The man initially in charge of the police investigation into this, Lenny Harper, ordered an excavation of the site and bones were found…

Some background (from ‘Wikipedia‘)…

Jersey child abuse investigation 2008
A wide-ranging government investigation into child abuse had begun in 2006, and escalated into a States of Jersey Police investigation in 2007 during which witness evidence repeatedly indicated Haut de la Garenne, which housed up to 60 children at any one time, to be one of the places where abuse took place.
There was widespread media coverage as forensic teams conducted searches in the building between the end of February 2008 and July 2008.

By the end of the excavations and investigations at Haut de la Garenne in July 2008, police had sifted over 150 tonnes of earth. 65 human milk teeth were found, coming from between 10 to 65 individuals aged between 6–12 years and generally seeming to have been shed naturally. Discounting a large quantity of animal bones, only three bone fragments (the largest 25 mm = 1 inch long) were identified as possibly human; two of them have been dated to a range from 1470 to 1650 and the other 1650 to 1950.

In September 2008, Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell of Lancashire Police took over as Senior Investigating Officer in the abuse enquiry. In August 2008 David Warcup, Deputy Chief Constable of Northumbria Police, took over as Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police. The new team launched a review of the investigation to date.
In November 2008, the Deputy Chief Officer, David Warcup, expressed "much regret" that misleading information had been released throughout the conduct of the enquiry, although this has been bitterly contested. Warcup stated that there was "no evidence" of any child murders at Haut de la Garenne, although the Sunday Times and other media have pointed out that the original investigation had also made this point, nor was there any indication that bodies may have been destroyed at the property. He said that initial reports of blood spots, secret underground chambers, mysterious pits, and metal restraint shackles, were all innocuous or misidentified.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_child_abuse_investigation_2008



Here’s the documentary.
I think it’s perhaps best to watch this first before reading the info further down the post(?)

Sun Sea & Satan FULL DOCUMENTARY
A hard-hitting emotionally charged 60 min documentary by Bill Maloney (Award winning independent film director) who's family were all brought up in the UK care system.

It covers Maloney's visit and interpretation of Jersey, Channel Islands, following the ongoing child abuse investigations of the children's care home 'Haut de la Garenne'. It highlights connections with the Sea Cadets and children being brought from London care homes for 'sailing holidays' on the Island.

Due to his and his family's experiences of Establishment care homes Maloney felt compelled to see first hand the response of Islanders to the alleged abuse claims and their general feeling for the Governing States. A mixed response of silence, anger and insensitivity is catalogued from this island of geographical beauty with an ugly underbelly. The film includes mainstream news reports with Jeremy Paxman, Stuart Syvret, Lenny Harper, Esther Rantzen and Frank Walker.

It is the opinion of Bill Maloney that if a child was required - Haut de la Garenne was the venue; if an adult was required - St Saviours Mental Hospital was the venue.

JERSEY IS NOT PART OF THE UK, IT IS OWNED BY THE CROWN.


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As the documentary reports, both Lenny Harper and his boss, Graham Power (Chief Officer of the States of Jersey) were later “retired” and put out to pasture. The case was then taken over by others.
Harper has since hit back at critics who - he says - have attempted to smear his name and reputation in the mainstream press. In a blog article, he mentions specific people who he claims are guilty of this. They include, Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell (who took over as senior investigating officer), David Warcup (who took on the role of Deputy Chief Officer of the States in the shake-up), and Diane Simon - journalist of the ‘Jersey Evening Post.’

Here’s Harper’s post from the Stuart Syvret blog:

I have been away from Scotland for the past two weeks and have therefore missed the intellectually challenged journalistic nonsense from Diane Simon of the JEP, including the interview with Supercop Mick Gradwell. My thanks to those who have updated me.

I began counting the inaccuracies and downright falsehoods but gave up there were so many of them. Mick Gradwell said in a letter a few months back to a Daily Mail journalist that “the best I can say about Mr. Harper is that he is a man who has difficulty in understanding basic facts”. But it seems to me that he and Diane Simon cannot recognise facts even when they are laid out in front of them several times. I will return to Mr. Gradwell later when I yet again make clear how ludicrous and dishonest some of the assertions made by various people are, including his rather nasty and juvenile attack on some senior staff of the States of Jersey Police (SOJP). First however, and I am sure all the readers of this blog will understand, I need to defend myself against some of the personal attacks made on me by Messrs Gradwell, Warcup, Simon - and a few others who have reasons to see the Abuse enquiry fold.

When the e-mail from Ms. Simon slithered under my virus defence my initial instinct was to delete it and ignore it. There were a number of reasons for this. Firstly, she had asked me all these questions on at least two previous occasions, one of them a sunny Saturday at Haut de la Garenne. On each occasion I had not only answered the questions, but I had also e-mailed the answers to her, such was my mistrust of the way the answers would be used. Presumably, she still had those e-mails.
Her plea in the e-mail for me to answer the questions so that she could “tell all sides of the story” was as sincere and believable as the “Trusssst in me” uttered by Kaa the snake in Disney’s version of the Jungle Book. Ms. Simon must be the only person she knows who believes that this type of ingratiating fawning is not totally transparent.

Notwithstanding my absolute belief that the seeking of my views was a total sham, I realised that it would be better not to give her the opportunity to claim that she had sought my views and I had refused. I therefore answered all her questions which meant of course that she just had to ignore most of what I said. To ensure that I did get my point across to the majority on the island who actually wanted the truth, I copied my response to Stuart Syvret and he posted it on his blog.

Ms. Simon and officers Warcup and Gradwell seem to be saying that I became a really bad cop “overnight.” (I will explain why I say ‘overnight’ below.) Ms. Simon is a journalist of course and is at a disadvantage, but her view of me as a cop seems to be only slightly better than my view of her as a journalist. Each is entitled to their opinion, even if it is from a distance. However, the claims from Mr. Warcup and Mr. Gradwell need closer examination and perhaps a more detailed dismantling.

I do not know a lot about Mr. Warcup or the now retired Mr. Gradwell. I do not know the extent of Mr. Warcup’s practical experience; whether he spent his career at the sharp end as I did, or whether all his years with Northumbria Police were spent in departments like Personnel.
However, I do know that he has admitted destroying evidence in the abuse case - which perhaps does give some clue as to his motivation or professional judgement.

As for Mr. Gradwell, again I do not know a lot about him.
I cannot speak for him, only myself. I know that I have a number of commendations for “detective ability,” leadership, and other professional skills earned in the investigation of many murders including terrorist murders, gang murders, stabbing murders with multi victims, domestic murders, and huge experience gained in South London in the investigation of Rapes and Child Abuse.

I hope this does not seem like some sort of Lenny Harper ego trip, but when people like Mr. Gradwell, Mr. Warcup, and Ms. Simon, criticise my ability, I cannot help but refer to others who have expressed a contrary view. Over the past few years I have worked with and for some of the most respected senior police officers in the UK.
I have worked with, and for, some of the most respected and professional police officers in the UK. A number of them have carried out assessments on my performance and ability. Again, apologies for what seems almost self congratulation, but among them Sir William Rae (former Chief Constable of Strathclyde) said in 2002, just before my move to Jersey, that I was currently “serving with distinction.” He went on to say the following.

“Superintendent Harper is an intelligent and articulate officer who is performing his current duties to an extremely high level. Since transferring to Strathclyde Police he has shown himself to be a dedicated and highly responsible team player who maintains a consistently professional approach to his duties at all times. The excellence he has shown since joining Strathclyde Police was mirrored during his time with the Metropolitan Police. In April 1989 when stationed at Peckham his Divisional Commander stated that in his role as Detective Inspector he was ‘one of the most effective I have ever known.’ Praise such as this has followed Superintendent Harper throughout his career and for good reason. A modest individual, he has received five commendations, all relating to the investigation of serious crime including one relating to the arrest and conviction of two INLA terrorists.”

Sir William went on to say that my appraisals in Strathclyde had been of an extremely high standard with senior managers universally praising my diligence and abilities at both the operational and strategic levels. He attached copies of my last three staff appraisals which had been written by two senior officers who are now both Chief Constables in Scotland.

Against that backdrop of unimpeachable professional commendation, the trinity of Simon, Warcup, and Gradwell have made it their mission in life to tell as many people as possible how unprofessional and incapable (and even worse) I am. All this on very little knowledge of me, and bolstered by, to borrow Ms. Simon’s words, “lies and half truths.” She would certainly know about lies and half truths, wouldn’t she? With such a volume of informed and respected professional opinion to the contrary, no thinking person would prefer to believe the nonsense, of Simon, Gradwell & Warcup. So am I bothered?

No.

Now let me turn to the actual substance (an ill chosen word to describe what was in these pieces of journalistic rubbish) of Ms. Simon’s articles. I will start with the interview with Mr. Gradwell. I do feel rather weary at this point as I have made all these points before to Simon and others. At least this time however, I am making them to people who will have the ability and willingness to assimilate them.

The attention seeking headline in the Gradwell article was that the operation at Haut de la Garenne was “a waste of time and money.” According to Mr. Gradwell, as reported in the JEP, the decision to excavate was made without hard evidence or intelligence. Up until then, he said, the enquiry was being run “essentially along UK lines.” Okay – if I understand him then, we were doing OK until we decided to excavate HDLG. It follows then that he would not have done so. He would have ignored all that we found and walked away. Here again are the (much repeated) reasons why we excavated - in chronological sequence.

By the closing weeks of 2007, we had been carrying out the enquiry for some time. A recurring feature of the evidence and information gathering process as we moved into January 2008 was that a number of victims and witnesses had told us they had been assaulted and abused at the former home. There was evidence from one witness that a child had been chased by a member of staff through an upper floor corridor and in desperation had leapt out of a high window. The child had not been seen again. At that stage we had no name. (Mr. Gradwell was to say that over a year later he traced the child – perhaps he did. However at that time we had what we had.) We had non-specific information from a number of witnesses that they had witnessed children being dragged away at night and not being seen again. There was intelligence of illegal forced abortion and of a still born child.

I found all of this highly alarming and worrying but I did not consider at that stage that it warranted a full excavation of HDLG. (This is an important point, because after speaking to Gradwell and Warcup, the Met Police accused me of ordering the excavation on the evidence of a few “disturbed” people. I took issue with this description of the victims and made this clear in a number of e-mails to those concerned.) Mr. Gradwell confirms my suspicion about the origin of this slur on the survivors by his comments to Diane Simon. He and David Warcup at their infamous and discredited press conference last year also peddled this myth about the reasons for digging. The truth is simple to illustrate, because it is well documented.

I arranged to go to the UK to meet experts who would be well qualified to advise us on the way forward. On 5th February 2008, I went to Oxford with our Forensic Services Manager and other staff, and at the Headquarters of LGC Forensics met with Karl Harrison, their lead scientist, National Policing Improvement Agency Homicide Search Advisors, and forensic staff representing Forensic Archaeology and Anthropology, as well as a Cadaver Dog Advisor. We had already asked Mr. Harrison to prepare a desk based study brief of HDLG and he circulated this at the meeting.

The decision made at this meeting was that we should carry out an initial reconnaissance of the site over a short period to seek to clarify a number of objectives. It was decided that we would deploy several different assets, to be deployed in a “systematic fashion using best value and best practice guidelines.” In simple terms, we wanted to establish if there was anything there which would need further investigation - or if we could “walk away” from it -without further investigation.

Two weeks later we moved in to the grounds of HDLG. We deployed Geophysical assets and Ground Penetrating Radar in order to identify anomalous areas for further investigation. We also used Gridded probing techniques to assist the dogs, and of course we had the anecdotal evidence of witnesses and victims. We decided we would not at any time carry out speculative searching but would deploy the forensic and archaeology assets in areas where there was corroboration that something needed further investigation. Before we excavated, we would give full consideration to possible explanations given by earlier work or utilities. We also studied in depth building plans and maps. It was during this process that builders who had worked on the site told us that a few years before they had found bones they were convinced were human but had been told to ‘forget them’ and “let bygones be bygones.” (This phrase became a catchword among my team whenever the subject of attempts at cover up would arise.) One worker was so convinced they were human he took them home to examine them against computer images which only strengthened his fears. (Eventually these bones were examined by a Jersey Pathologist after police had called her to the home. She told the officer “I don’t like the look of this,” but was later to say she could not remember making that comment. She was “not saying it wasn’t made, but just couldn’t remember it.” She took the bones to her boss whose extremely short (five lines) report said the bones were too large to be human but also stated that one of the bones “could not be identified.” He gave the measurements of the bones and our anthropologist took issue with his findings saying that the size of the bone concerned was within the size range of a child. Unfortunately the bones were destroyed by the pathologist without being examined by an anthropologist. Our advice was that they should have been so examined as the pathologist was not qualified to rule on whether or not they were human. The builders told us that they had found two child’s shoes with the bones. The pathologist told us that he had sent them for examination and had been told they were Victorian. The person he said he sent them to remembered no such incident. Unfortunately the shoes too had been destroyed and were unavailable to us.

At the same time as we were digesting this deeply puzzling sequence of events, we received a positive reaction from the dog trained to find traces of human remains. This reaction came at the same spot as the builders had found the bones mentioned above. At this point, I took the decision to authorise the archaeologists to dig at that location. I would do the same again. It beggars belief, and I am at a loss to imagine why, Mr. Gradwell and David Warcup should say they would have taken a different decision. To me that would be gross negligence. My decision was fully endorsed by the ACPO team who were mentoring us and this team included the former head of the Met Homicide Department and a vastly experienced Senior Investigating Officer. It was also unanimously supported by all of my senior team including the UK Homicide Search Advisors. The dig was necessary because there were matters which needed further investigation. Indeed, the advice of the ACPO Homicide Team was that we had no choice but to treat the scene as one of a potential homicide. This advice was expressed frequently, and I know it was given to Frank Walker.

I will deal in more detail later with the charred bones found in the cellar areas, but for now will concentrate on the reasons for excavating that area. We had evidence from victims who said they were confined and/or abused in what they described as cellar areas. We could not find them until a local builder who had worked at the area came forward and said he knew where the entrance to these ‘cellars’ were. He showed us and we were eventually able to uncover them. Before excavating further we put the dogs into the area. As we did so, the Chief of Police arrived with the Home Affairs Minister, Wendy Kinnard. They were actually present when the dogs reacted strongly in the cellar and where we were then to find the charred bones and teeth. So, the question is obvious when one thinks that Mr. Gradwell is still claiming that we should not have searched HDLG. At what point should we have walked away? Should we have not started at all - and therefore not found anything – and left the remains (because that is what they are) where they were? Should we have stopped at the wing where the dog initially reacted and, instead, ignored all we knew about the bones found by the builders? Or should we have ignored the dog’s possible corroboration of the victims in the cellar area?

Messrs Gradwell and Warcup said there was no evidence of murder and that my team was wrong to say there was. They are not telling the truth, deliberately or otherwise - because I had never said there was evidence of murder - only evidence that there was something that needed investigation. A subtle, but crucial, distinction which people could be forgiven for not understanding, given the utter nonsense that’s been peddled recently. There are many, many examples of what I did, actually, say, to be found still. Check the BBC News website on 31st July 2008. Read David James Smith’s excellent article in the Sunday Times. (Reproduced in Stuart Syvret’s blog on Sunday, 10th May, 2009). They all state - clearly and unequivocally - that I was saying ‘we did not have evidence of murder’. Why would Ms. Simon and the two senior cops say otherwise? I and many others know why. However, we still do not know how, where, or when those children died and probably never will. We think we know how the bones ended up where we found them, and that was expertly laid out by Karl Harrison in his Archaeological Theory of the Burnt Debris including Human Bone Fragments and teeth found in the East wing. His view was that the Solid Fuel Furnace in the West Wing was used to dispose of human remains and they were then transferred to the East Wing around 1960-1970. We included his report in the document we posted on our website. Strangely enough when the Sunday Times journalist David James Smith attempted to access this document it had been removed under Warcup’s leadership. David James Smith was told by the Press Officer that there had been a problem with the computer. Of course there was! In any event, I reproduce a quote from the report by Karl Harrison below. You might ask the question that if an independent expert such as Karl Harrison is giving us this information, what kind of police officers would we have been to walk away and ignore it? As I say, it beggars belief. Unless your name is Diane Simon, David Warcup, or Gradwell that is.

Here is a quote from the report by Karl Harrison:

“With regard to the human remains recovered from cellars 3,4 & five. Karl Harrison, LGC Forensics lead archaeologist explains :

Detailed archaeological analysis of the building and its structure, in conjunction with archive plans, has provided time lines for historical renovations within the building. Phase I – area above the cellars is a School Room - Victorian styli and slates are dumped in large quantities on the cellar floor. These are in such quantities that it would suggest the floors were being taken up when they were deposited. Although they are mixed throughout the cellar deposits, many slates are lying on the base of the earthen floor, suggesting an early fall. A number of dateable Phase I items (Victorian coinage, Napoleon III coin, Victorian Jubilee medal) have been found in close association with this material.

Phase II/III - At the extension of the building following the major works over the bathhouse directly south of the School Room, educational activities move southwards to our Press Room (as was). The School Room becomes a Play Room in the early 20th C. This would explain the lack of pen nibs such as those in the cisterns entering the record here.

With the exception of a few coins of the period, native Phase II/III material seems to be in short supply. Instead we seem to have imported material - masses of shoe leather and heel irons relate to the shoemakers that functioned through the 20s and 30s, along with buttons and thimbles from the neighbouring dressmakers room. This is closely associated with concentrations of kitchen waste (bottle glass, jar glass, plain domestic ware, patterned ware and charnel), which seems contemporaneous based on design and scraps of printed labels remaining.

All of this is mixed with two distinct non-native soils - a virgin 'potato' soil which provides much of the compressed material, and a concentration of charred material - coke, clinker and some charcoal (in very small fragments) - whilst the charred material is associated with smoke stained masonry, none of the goods in the cellar have been burned (as opposed to cooked in the case of animal bone) - other than some of the bone fragments.

Phase IV - Phase IV is characterised by sweeping, evidenced by changes in texture of the cellar fills and the presence of large numbers of plastic bristles and brush head fragments stuck through lower elements of the contexts. In terms of depositions in phase IV, these are (with the exception of a single coin) native in character - the room above the cellars remains a Play Room, and we have a profusion of glass marbles, toy soldiers, play money, farmyard animal figures)

Phase V - Access is gained through the floor by hatch cutting for the 2003 refurbishment - some of the outlying bone and teeth fragments perhaps owe their position to cable laying. What I now think has happened is that a mass of material has been imported from the west wing at a time when the floor of the Play Room was up. This would explain the mix of material from north to south along the wing (glass and ceramic from kitchen larders, leather goods from the shoemakers, buttons from the tailors and high-temperature char from the bake house foundations) These renovations to the west wing have been carried out since 1960 (the brush bristles relate to sweeping of floor surface elsewhere and have been incorporated into the fill elsewhere, rather than someone bothering to sweep a cellar's earthen floor) - they have involved cleaning, but also significant digging into underlying soil (we have small concentrations of Phase II/III pot sewer pipe, as well as the mass of potato soil). Whilst some of the material might have been taken off site, some has been ditched in barrow and bucket loads on the cellar floor, hence the complex lensing of charred and virgin soils, especially along the footing trenches.”

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Fairly significant is it not? Yet, we should not have been in there according to Gradwell, Warcup and Simon. We should have walked away and left the remains there. It was, supposedly, all a waste of time and money, not to mention professionally inept. We may not have found the answers but I am in no doubt that we had to ask the questions. That is what we were police officers for.



Full blog post here:
http://stuartsyvret.blogspot.co.u...-harper-witness-for-historic.html



And whilst on the subject of Haute de la Garenne, Harper talks about it and the recent mainstream reports regarding Savile and his links to the home…

Taken from ‘The Express’ (October 9th 2012)…

'NO REASON TO DOUBT' JIMMY SAVILE WAS INVOLVED IN JERSEY CHILDREN'S HOME SCANDAL
THE former head of the Haut de la Garenne child abuse investigation has implicated Jimmy Savile in the scandal.
Lenny Harper revealed he now has "no reason to doubt' that Savile indecently assaulted girls at the Jersey children's home, which was subject to an intense police investigation following allegations of past child abuse.

The States of Jersey police detective who led the three-year child abuse probe, revealed that Savile's name came up in the initial police inquiry four years ago, but there was not enough evidence at the time.

Mr Harper, who has since retired from the force, added: "There definitely wasn't enough even to question him at the time, but in light of all the evidence that has come out then I'm not surprised because it fits perfectly the profile of what was going on."

Police on the island confirmed last week that Savile was investigated as part of the 2008 inquiry into abuse at the children's home, following claims from a former Haut de la Garenne resident that the Jim'll Fix It star was involved in an indecent assault in the 1970s.

A solicitor who acted for victims also told the Guardian that some former Haut de la Garenne residents, both women and men, now claim they were assaulted by Savile in the 1970s.

Alan Collins, a solicitor for several Haut de la Garenne victims, said 'a handful' of former residents have now made abuse allegations regarding Savile.

The BBC entertainer, who died last year aged 84, was never charged with any abuse offences.



Full story here:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/vi...in-Jersey-children-s-home-scandal



Okay… moving on…

News out today from ‘The Sun’ (October 15th 2012)…

Jimmy Savile’s youngest victim: A scout aged nine
THE youngest known victim of BBC paedophile Jimmy Savile came forward last night to reveal he was abused as a nine-year-old cub scout.
Kevin Cook, now 45, told how presenter Savile molested him in a shabby dressing room after he appeared on kids’ TV show Jim’ll Fix It.
Savile then warned him to keep quiet — saying: “Nobody would believe you anyway, I’m King Jimmy.”
The arrogant paedophile enticed Kevin into his dingy dressing room by promising him a coveted Jim’ll Fix It badge.

Once inside Savile told Kevin to sit down and asked: “Are you ready to earn your badge?”
The sick BBC presenter then molested the terrified youngster before issuing a chilling threat, saying: “Don’t you dare tell anyone. We know where you live.”
Kevin, now a dad of two, took the courageous decision to speak out last night after the news that Savile abused young girls brought his traumatic memories flooding back.
He told how the attack ruined his childhood and left him carrying a heavy burden of shame.
Kevin, Savile’s youngest known victim, was in the 44th Newham East cub pack in East London when they wrote to Jim’ll Fix It in 1976.

The BBC kids’ show “fixed it” for the cubs to race milk floats round the famous Brands Hatch track, before the rest of the programme was filmed in a studio.
Welder Kevin recalled: “It was a fantastic day. We thought we’d died and gone to heaven.
“The actors who played Starsky and Hutch (Paul Michael Glaser and David Soul) were in the studio. It was so exciting.” Savile took a shine to Kevin after the lad gave him a gift. Kevin said: “My mum had given me a tie to give to him. He gave me a hug and promised to wear it on the next show.”
Twisted Savile then saw his chance when he noticed young Kevin was disappointed that the cubs were given just one prized Jim’ll Fix It badge to share.

Kevin said: “I’d imagined a giant badge, but it was just a normal one with a long ribbon to fit round us all. I must have looked disappointed because Jimmy said, ‘Do you want one of your own? Don’t tell anyone else though’.
“He took me down a corridor to this poky little dressing room.”
Savile asked if he was “ready to earn his badge,” then started touching him. Kevin said: “He pulled my shorts down and started fondling me. I sat there frozen, too terrified to speak.
“He just kept saying, ‘Does that feel nice?’ Then he grabbed my hand and made me rub him through his trousers. As it was happening, a man opened the door and put his head round. He just said ‘Oops’ and shut the door.
“After I’d done my shorts up Jimmy warned me not to tell.
“He became really scary and said, ‘Don’t you dare tell anyone. Don’t even tell your mates. We know where you live’. Then he said, ‘Nobody would believe you anyway — I’m King Jimmy’.”
When the show was aired, Kevin felt sick as he watched with his parents. He told how the assault changed him, saying: “I was always a popular, outgoing kid, but after that I wasn’t the same.

“I’d lie awake at night, terrified he was going to come and get me. I hated being anywhere on my own. I stopped playing sport and never liked going anywhere I had to take my clothes off.
“I was always forging notes from my mum to get out of swimming.” Kevin, who lives with his wife and kids on the Essex coast, added: “For ages I felt like it was my fault. I felt guilty.
“The stuff in the papers brought all the old feelings back. My wife knew something was wrong so in the end I told her.
“She rang the police and handed the phone to me, saying I had to speak out. Essex police interviewed me by phone and said the Met will be coming to see me.
“I wish I’d told someone all those years ago. I tried not to let it bother me over the years, but you can never quite get rid of it.
“All I feel is hatred for that man. I wish he was still alive to face up to what he’s done.”
Kevin is only the second male victim of Savile to come forward, after a man said he was abused aged ten at the Haut de la Garenne children’s home, Jersey.



More articles rom the same page here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homep...est-victim-A-scout-aged-nine.html



Finally (although there’s plenty more I could post), I’m going to include an interesting set of quotes by a former BBC bigwig…

Taken from ‘The Guardian’ (October 14th 2012)…

Sir Michael Lyon, former BBC Trust chairman, has warned that the BBC is the victim of "hysteria" over the scandal. Lyon, who was chairman of the trust between 2007 and 2011, told Sky News's Murnaghan programme that the scandal extended well beyond the broadcaster.
He said: "There is no doubt about the seriousness of the allegations against Jimmy Savile and they need to be taken seriously. It clearly has consequences for the BBC but frankly I think the consequences spread well beyond the BBC.
"There may well be lessons here to learn about the way that we tolerate the behaviour of predatory men, particularly when they are in powerful positions and there may be lessons to learn about the licence that we sometimes collectively allow to celebrities. What we hear are not just allegations relating to the BBC, although I don't want to diminish those, but also allegations made about hospital and prison contexts. If they are proved right, here we have a serial offender potentially across a wide range of settings. None of that detracts from the importance of the BBC making sure that it understands what happened and making sure there is no risk at all of such events happening now," he said.




Full story here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2...bc-radio-questioned?newsfeed=true




That’ll do for now I s’pose.
Smile
deadpeoplestuff

Angry

Of course - damage limitation (ring fence) for any further revelations popping out of the woodwork, as they inevitably will (have already!) - but more importantly, to try and create distance, even a context, a fire-break if you will, from being in any way associated with the truly abhorrent behavior and the darker proclivities of Savile.

That said, are they not all damned by nature of the fact that they all looked the other way, to 'keep their jobs' while this monster walked the same corridors. As it is said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

As for 'bringing all down' - yes it will - and just like the masons - by degree. We are being shown the error of our ways, these are lessons that we must all learn.

To counter the forces of evil, you have to understand what evil really is - the opposite of evil is not good - it is love

We really do get the society we deserve
under no illusion

Thanks for the info AH. I'll be watching that pie & mash video today a bit later.

Now that two males have come forward, we will see an increase in men coming forward to speak. One by one they will give each other the courage!

The lid is off & there is no putting it back on.
under no illusion

I'm only part way through Mr Maloney's Documentary. (having to pause a lot tonight)

What a wonderful  genuine person Mr Maloney IS! Gut's of a man, really! We need more of his type in this world!

This all brings to mind something that was brought to my attention a couple of years ago on an alternative web site. I remember it troubled me very much & I posted it on the other web-site. Down the drain hole it went.

Sorry to switch topics to Hollywood but while we have such a big audience, & we are all fed up with the Global cover up, I would like to point something out...In this following Hollywood movie clip. FWD to exactly 1:57 & tell me who instructed the little boy (standing next to the dog) to use his hands to gesture in such a way? (& why didn't his parents notice & protest!) Like they never watch their own child's every move in a famous Hollywood movie!





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nairda

One thing that strikes me.  With the accusatory spotlight of the MSM fully focussed on Sa-Vile, and therefore the attention of the masses looking at the right hand.  Who, on the left, sleight-of-hand, are scurrying into the shadows?  My take on it is that Sa-Vile, whilst alive, could, and would, have taken anyone of similar persuasions, and higher profiles, down with him.  He had 'insurance'.  So now, as he rots in the ground, the full horror of his predatory nature is allowed to manifest in the mass consciousness.  The masses and the establishment are baying for justice, an inquiry has been instigated;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19970059

And, like a burning effigy, Sa-Vile will be stripped of honours and plaudits, the pound of flesh will be paid in full whilst the true evil perpetrators of worse crimes skulk about untroubled by it all.

So is this being 'allowed' to happen?  Is this being 'stage-managed'?  If so, whilst we're all looking at the rabbit being pulled from the hat, we fail to notice the hidden hand stacking the deck...
deadpeoplestuff

So what role are the BBC playing in all of this? Here's a clue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RrNlHYV0dmg

the EXACT same embedding can be found in Disney films (go seek)
under no illusion

More 'dead people' exposed... handy that!

Jimmy Savile: Steptoe and Son actor Wilfrid Brambell 'abused boys in Jersey' claims whistleblower

Wilfrid Brambell, the actor, became the latest BBC celebrity accused of child sex abuse last night after it emerged that two people had come forward in Jersey claiming to be his victims.

Brambell, who played the “dirty old man” Albert Steptoe in the comedy Steptoe and Son, allegedly abused two boys in a theatre in Jersey at the height of his fame in the 1970s.
One of the alleged victims was a resident at the notorious Haut de la Garenne children’s home which was at the centre of a high-profile police investigation into historical child abuse on the island in 2008.
He claimed to have been taken to the island’s main theatre, the Opera House, as a “treat” before being taken backstage to meet Brambell, who he accuses of molesting him in a back room.
The second victim, who had not been a Haut de la Garenne resident, also claimed to have been abused by Brambell at the theatre. The alleged victims were aged 12-13 at the time.
Brambell, who died in 1985, was homosexual and had a criminal record for “persistently importuning for an immoral purpose” in a public lavatory dating from 1962.

The allegations were made to former Jersey health minister Stuart Syvret, the most outspoken critic of the island’s failure to deal with child abuse when the Haut de la Garenne scandal erupted four years ago.
He was contacted by dozens of people who had been abused on the island, some of whom named Jimmy Savile as one of their abusers.
Mr Syvret told The Daily Telegraph: “Two of the people who contacted me said that they were abused by Wilfrid Brambell.
“I was told that he visited the back rooms of the Jersey Opera House and abuse would happen there.
“I am convinced they were telling the truth. One of the men was a resident at Haut de la Garenne at the time and was taken to the theatre where he was abused.”
Mr Syvret said the two victims had not reported the abuse to the police because they did not trust the island’s constabulary.
Brambell became a household name in the 1960s and 70s when he appeared alongside Harry H Corbett in Steptoe and Son, in which he played a scruffy rag and bone man constantly derided by his on-screen son as a “dirty old man”.
He also appeared in the Beatles A Hard Day’s Night, playing Sir Paul McCartney’s grandfather, after being hand-picked for the role by the singer.
His conviction for importuning, or soliciting, came after he was arrested in a public lavatory in Shepherd’s Bush, west London, in Nov 1962. He was given a conditional discharge and ordered to pay 25 guineas costs.
Brambell had been briefly married in the 1950s but had few close friends or relatives, and when he was cremated in 1985 after dying of cancer at the age of 72, only a handful of people turned out for his funeral.
A spokesman for Ray Galton and Alan Simpson, the writers of Steptoe and Son, said: “There were only about two people at his funeral. He didn’t have much of an entourage and he didn’t really have people who mixed with him socially.”
A spokesman for the BBC said that if the corporation received any allegations about anyone abusing children on BBC premises, it would be investigated as part of the independent inquiry into sex abuse by Jimmy Savile.



FROM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/u...-Jersey-claims-whistleblower.html
Angryhead

Hi, nairda... I totally agree with the points you made. I recall pointing out in an earlier post that the reason Savile was arrested, or brought in for questioning on a number of occasions but then let off the hook is because, if he went down... he potentially had the power to bring 'em all down... all the 'higher ups'... the so-called "elite" (well known politicans, royalty as well as lawyers, judges, entertainment figures - you name it). He was being looked after... protected. If you read the mainstream media, you can see the utter shock and disbelief of some journalists in their articles (as well as from readers in the 'comments' boxes). "How did he get away with it for so long?," they exclaim... well... precisely. It beggars all logic - that is until you realise Savile's connections were very powerful and well-known to the public at large.

This story ties in... from 'The Guardian' (October 17th 2012)...

Jimmy Savile thought he was untouchable, says former aide
Jimmy Savile's long-standing former personal assistant has spoken out for the first time about the child abuse scandal, saying the presenter "thought he was untouchable".

Janet Cope, who was Savile's PA for 32 years until she was suddenly sacked by him in 2001, described him as "eccentric, manipulative, controlling" and said he was like Peter Pan, "forever surrounding himself with youngsters".

She told the Daily Mirror: "I was frightened to death of him and I wasn't the only one. He loved the power he had over people. Power was important to him. He didn't care if he upset people. Jim had no feeling, no emotions at all."

When the allegations of child abuse first emerged two weeks ago, Cope was among those who remained loyal to the former star. Now, she concedes she may have been hoodwinked by him. "He told me: 'Never risk being caught out. Always ensure that you're in total control of any situation'. Sadly, the evidence against Jim does seem a bit overwhelming and, really, I'm at a loss for words," she said.

"He thought he was untouchable because he was hand in glove with the hospitals, royalty and the prime minister."



Full story here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2...ile-aide-janet-cope?newsfeed=true



nairda... I also sense that this is all being "stage managed". As UNI quite rightly points out in her most recent post, why is it that all the dead people are being 'outed'? What about the ones that are still on this earth (as opposed to under it)?
The Wilfred Brambell story is also a case in point. Okay... so someone from Jersey's Haute de la Garenne claims the 'Steptoe' actor molested him backstage at a theatre in Jersey. However... it's a deceptive story. Nowhere in the article does it cite that Brambell ever visited the home or was involved in all the sickly happenings there. This is a non-story in many respects. Was he ever at Haute de la Garenne? Did any of the witnesses who've recently come forward (and supplied info for the Brambell story) ever mentioned him visiting it, and if so... why hasn't it been let out into the media?
Again... regarding Brambell. None of this is new. I can recall my school-mates making jokes about his 'love for children' back in the late 1970s early 80s. The latest reports merely confirm what was "common knowledge" (for want of a better term). The media's reports of his 'cottaging' were decades-old at that time too.
Yes... all this media 'hoo-ha' is being directed by people keen to keep the attention from other notable figures in society (well... that's an educated guess, any way). Guys... this goes high up (IMO). All the institutions, the public figures and families/dynasties that have been worshiped for years by the general population... my God... can you imagine if it all came out? It would be a mind-f**k --- a life-changer.

This is why I personally can't let go of this story. Don't get me wrong. There are innumerable horrors taking place across the world minute-by-minute, day-by-day - wars, famine, political machinations, financial terrorism, nutritional and agricultural terrorism. Our health system is killing us with dangerous drugs... and on and on it goes. I'm aware of ALL of that and still keep abreast of it as best as possible, but, this particular story is - in many respects - just as important - just as urgent.
Think about it.
What one issue truly and effectively outrages the entire population with an equal amount of outrage and horror?... Messing with children.
Yes, you can rob people of their homes, their livelihoods - even their health and they won't even pick up a stick to defend themselves. However, when it comes to paedophilia, it's a completely different kettle of fish.
This story has the potential to introduce people to what really goes on (all the dark, Satanic, sick, twisted goings on behind the closed doors of power and priviledge). The fact that most people think Savile was always a "bit creepy" also helps to promote awareness of the bigger picture.
This story is just as important as all the wars and immeasurable injustices taking place across the world because - like most aspects in this global 'matrix' - it all connects. This 'Savile thing' is - in my opinion (and I'm only postulating) - right at the heart of it (in a number of respects).

By the way, DPS...


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Angry

Of course - damage limitation (ring fence) for any further revelations popping out of the woodwork, as they inevitably will (have already!) - but more importantly, to try and create distance, even a context, a fire-break if you will, from being in any way associated with the truly abhorrent behavior and the darker proclivities of Savile.



Yes. Never thought of that. Good point.


And, nairda (again)... the following article paints the picture that Savile was never brought to truly book due to 'incompetance' of sorts (again... media misdirection?). However... even the list this journalist scrolls out defies belief.
Indeed... people should REALLY ask themselves: "How the HELL did he get away with it for so long?' (I'm sure many of us here have a good answer for that, and it ain't "incompetance"...

Taken from 'Digital Journal' (October 14th 2012)...

As the Savile scandal spreads, and more and more of this sorry, sordid saga is exposed to the light of day, the role of the police is increasingly brought into question. Just how many opportunities did the police fail to take?
In the late 1950s, Jimmy Savile was the manager of the Locarno Ballroom in Leeds. Dennis Lemmon was one of the bouncers at the night club. Lemmon told the Sunday Telegraph that as early as 1958 Savile was suspected of child sexual assaults. Lemmon said:
He came in and just ignored us all, walked straight past us. I remember saying: 'what’s up with him?’ and someone in the club replied: 'He’s up in court tomorrow – interfering with young girls. He’s worried’.
Three days later Savile was back to his usual self. Lemmon explained the change:
He was really worried but everything was dropped. I was told he had paid them [the police] off. And apparently that wasn’t the first time either but I don’t know about that. He had a lot of friends though.
Lemmon told the Sunday Telegraph that everyone at the club knew about Savile's preference for young girls. When asked why no one did anything about it, he said:
I suppose because it was Jimmy.

As far as we currently know, this was the first missed opportunity. There were, however, more to follow.

In the early 1960s, Savile records in his autobiography, as reviewed by Digital Journal, another encounter with the police. Savile said he was approached by a police officer about a runaway girl. Savile's autobiography records that he told the officer:
Ah,’ says I all serious, ‘if she comes in I’ll bring her back tomorrow but I’ll keep her all night first as my reward’.
According Savile, the girl duly arrived at the club and he spent the night with her before handing her over to the police at half past eleven the next morning. Savile said:
"The officeress was dissuaded from bringing charges against me by her colleagues for it was well known that were I to go, I would probably take half the station with me."

The next opportunity the police had occurred in the late 1960s. By now Jimmy Savile was famous. He had been presenting Top of the Pops for the BBC since its first episode in 1964. Stanley Dorfman, who was the popular music show's producer, told the Sunday Telegraph that the police instituted an investigation of the show over allegations of underage sex. Dorfman said:
The only police inquiry I remember was when they came and interviewed us all because there were girls in the dressing rooms...
The investigation lasted a few weeks, but nothing came of it. Another missed opportunity.

In 1971 the police were again interested in Top of the Pops. The instigating cause on this occasion was the suicide of Clair McAlpine, a fifteen year old dancer on the show. The investigation was headed by Detective Chief Superintendent Richard Hooker, who was leading an inquiry into allegations of bribery and sex parties involving disc jockeys and others.
Clair's dead body had been found by her mother. Clair's diary was lying beside her. It gave the reason for a suicide; she could no longer stand the abuse. And it named the perpetrators, including Jimmy Savile. However, Savile was apparently only interviewed as a possible witness.
On the eve of Clair's inquest, Savile was questioned by reporters. He said:
I studied a photograph of Samantha very closely. I cannot recollect ever seeing the girl in my life.
However, Top of the Pops photographs show Savile next to the dancer only weeks before her death. Another missed opportunity.

There was also in 1971 a News of the World investigation into pornography at Top of the Pops. This was yet another missed opportunity.
In the late 1970s the police were again informed of concerns about Savile's behaviour. A nurse at Stoke Mandeville Hospital informed the police that children in the hospital were being advised by nurses to pretend to be asleep when Savile was around, as reported in Digital Journal. The nurse expressed her concerns to John Lindsay, a CID detective. Lindsay reported the matter to a Detective Chief Inspector, now deceased, who took the view that nothing could be done against someone of Savile's status without solid proof. And so another opportunity was missed.

After Jonathan King's 2001 conviction for sexually abusing boys, the police again looked at Savile. According to the Sunday Telegraph, the police dropped the matter due to lack of firm evidence.
In 2007 Savile was interviewed by police under caution in respect of allegations of child sexual assaults at Duncroft School in the 1970s. The police presented the evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service, which decided not to bring a prosecution. Yet another missed opportunity.

The Haut de la Garenne children's home was regularly visited by Savile. The 2008 child abuse investigation was provided with allegations against Savile, as reported in the Guardian. Once more the police decided not to take any action.

In 2008 police were also informed of an allegation of sexual assault in Worthing. Once more the police decided proceedings could not be brought.

These are the police investigations into allegations against Jimmy Savile that are in the public domain. It is possible that they constitute merely the tip of an iceberg. For example, West Yorkshire police had conducted inquiries into allegations that Savile sexually assaulted young girls on a canal boat in the 1970s. There was also a reported case of sexual assault at a Leeds children's home, which should have been passed on to the police. However large the iceberg may eventually turn out to be, one thing is clear: the police appear to have been, at best, no more competent than the Keystone Kops.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/334810



"Keystone Kops"?

Not quite methinks.
under no illusion

(sorry if it has already been posted, I can't see it at the mo)








Jimmy Savile linked with Haut de la Garenne children's home scandal

Lenny Harper, former child abuse investigator, says he believes Savile was involved in indecent assault at Jersey institution.

The former head of the Jersey child abuse investigation has said he now suspects that Sir Jimmy Savile was implicated in the Haut de la Garenne children's home abuse scandal.

Lenny Harper said he now has "no reason to doubt" that Savile was involved in indecent assault at the notorious Jersey children's home, despite there being insufficient evidence to question the Jim'll Fix It star when he was alive.

The observation came on the day that the BBC's director general, George Entwistle, gave his first interview regarding the row, and indicated that the broadcaster would "take a look properly" and hold its own inquiry once the police investigation into alleged sexual abuse by the late DJ and presenter closes.

Harper, the detective who led Jersey's three-year child abuse probe, told the Guardian that Savile's name came up in the initial police inquiry in 2008 – but there were no specific allegations of abuse against the BBC presenter at the time.

He added: "There definitely wasn't enough even to question him at the time, but in light of all the evidence that has come out then I'm not surprised because it fits perfectly the profile of what was going on."

A solicitor who acted for victims of child abuse in Jersey also told the Guardian that some former Haut de la Garenne residents, both women and men, now claim they were assaulted by Savile in the 1970s.

Alan Collins, a solicitor for several Haut de la Garenne victims, said "a handful" of former residents have now made abuse allegations about Savile. He said Savile's name was mentioned several times during the police investigation of 2008 but that the evidence did not seem to stack up at  the time.

The States of Jersey police confirmed last week that Savile was investigated as part of the 2008 inquiry into abuse at the children's home, following claims from a former Haut de la Garenne resident that Savile was involved in an indecent assault in the 1970s. The BBC entertainer, who died last year aged 84, was never charged with any abuse offences.

Elsewhere at the BBC, Sandi Toksvig on Monday reacted angrily to the way her revelation that she had been groped on air by a celebrity was being used as a way to criticise the corporation.

"It's not about the BBC, and I'm distressed it's being portrayed in that way," the presenter told the Guardian, 24 hours after she disclosed that she had been "very unpleasantly groped by a famous individual" during a broadcast in the 1980s.

"It's being used as a stick to beat the BBC, but it was commonplace, it was the culture," she said.

Toksvig refused to name the man involved. "This is isn't about who he is – I'm going to grant the man who assaulted me the respect he did not grant me, by never naming him. Because otherwise it becomes about that one individual, when in fact it was going on everywhere."

In a statement, Toksvig said that the man who groped her is now dead. She added: "Whilst the recent manifold revelations regarding the abuse and mistreatment of women in broadcasting have focused on the BBC, I would like to clarify that I consider this a culture endemic across the whole of radio and television and is certainly not limited to the BBC."

Entwistle told BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Monday that he deeply regretted what had happened and apologised to the women involved for what they have had to endure, but he said he did not want to compromise the police inquiry.

"I think this has to be done in two phases," Entwistle said. "First the police are given the chance to do everything they have to do – that is the only way justice can possibly be done for the women in question. But once the police assure me that they have done everything they have to do, then we can take a look properly."

Last night, the chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, said it was "no excuse to say 'that was then' in the 1960s, 70s and 80s and attitudes were different then".

He told the Cardiff Business Club: "It's no excuse to say, 'I'm sure the same thing used to happen with pop groups and others at the time'. Those things may be true but they don't provide an excuse.

"So there will be a full police inquiry and we will encourage people to co-operate with it, and when that is completed, we will then look at the issues which still remain to be resolved."

The comedian Freddie Starr has admitted he did appear on Savile's show Clunk Click in the 1970s after earlier denying it.

His lawyers clarified the matter after Channel 4 News broadcast footage of Starr with Karin Ward, the woman who has accused him and Savile of assaulting her.

The lawyers continued: "It would now appear from seeing footage of a Clunk Click show aired in 1974 that in fact Freddie was mistaken and therefore that he had in fact been on a Jimmy Savile show.

"However, this does not detract from the fact that Freddie vigorously denies the awful allegation that has been made by Karin Ward, which despite this footage is still totally unsupported and uncorroborated by any other evidence."


FROM: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2...-jersey-childrens-home?intcmp=239
Angryhead

Hello chaps and chapesses...

I was just about to call it a day when I came across the following vid. It's from the 'UK Column Live' October 17th edition. In it, Brian Gerrish says that the 'UK Column' has learned that there will "very shortly" be an exposure on "senior" UK politicians who were "clearly" being supplied children by a "wider paedophile network."
To hear this, move the player to about 16mins...


Link




I thought it best to post this straight away as it could 'bust open' soon (let's hope so).

In the video, Brian also refers to a story in the 'Telegraph' about a school that Savile's been connected to. Yep... It's Duncroft School again. Here it is...

Jimmy Savile treated school like 'paedophile sweetshop'
At least five former pupils have told how the DJ abused them during visits to Duncroft Approved School when it was under direct Home Office control.
They claim that the Jim'll Fix star was given his own flat in the building in Staines, Surrey, by the headmistress in what one victim described as a "paedophile sweet shop".
The institution for emotionally disturbed girls was under the direct supervision of the Home Office until April 1973, a report in the Daily Mirror claims.
It was visited regularly by government inspectors.
A former pupil Toni Townsend, one of three girls photographed with the star in 1972, told the newspaper: "Jimmy treated Duncroft like a paedophile sweet shop.
"He stayed in a flat on the top floor. He was the only man allowed to stay overnight. Who knows what horrors happened up there.
"The girls at Duncroft had been sent there by the courts for prostitution, drugs and because they tried to kill themselves. Who would have believed us against Saint Jimmy?"

The approved school was one of 121 across the country managed and owned by voluntary groups overseen by central government.
The shadow Culture Secretary Harriet Harman said: "The fact that the Home Office now seems to be involved underlines the need for an independent inquiry."
Savile was said to have abused his paper boy after inviting him into his flat to give him a Christmas bonus.
The lad was just 15 when the predatory TV star gave him £40 and then said: "Now you've got to really earn it," according to the Sun.
Savile then lunged at the terrified teenager, pulling down his jeans and molesting him before he managed to escape his clutches in the star's flat in Leeds.
"He would have raped me if I hadn't got out of there," said the victim aged 51.
"He seemed to get a sick strength from somewhere. He was like Jekyll and Hyde and got aggressive when I shrugged him off.

Another man told the Sun Savile targeted him when he was 10 at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey.



Full story here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/u...ol-like-paedophile-sweetshop.html
nairda

Hi AH, et al

I am aware of some of the 'upper echelons' involved in this, a certain Prime Minister comes to mind for example.  This quote rang out for me though;

"He seemed to get a sick strength from somewhere."

All ties in with energetic vampirism, (feeding off fear and negative emotions, etc), satanism and occult practices that's been associated with these 'elites' and their secret societies.

I quite agree that this should be kept in the public consciouness, it could be the tipping point required to awaken the masses.  I still maintain that, with the psychological profile that seems to be a common trait with these people, as in this quote;

"I was frightened to death of him and I wasn't the only one. He loved the power he had over people. Power was important to him. He didn't care if he upset people. Jim had no feeling, no emotions at all."

that those involved at the higher levels will have no compunction in saving their skins at the expense of each other.  The 'R' complex at work.  Those with a highly developed 'R' complex have no compassion, no conscience.  Look at how easily love changes to hate for some people for example.  

This explains psychometric testing for certain jobs.  Nothing to do with ability, but all to do with detecting those with a lack of moral compass.  The 'stop-at-nothing, go-getter' attitude.  

So, with any luck, as the proverbial hits the fan, the whole thing implodes in on itself as names are named in the interests of self-preservation.  And of course, there are those FBI files from Operation Ore and Bliar's gagging order as a result...
under no illusion

Jimmy Savile: 'He was the tip of the iceberg’

The wide-ranging investigation into Sir Jimmy Savile’s depraved activities has focused attention once more on claims of a possible paedophile ring and a 'culture of cover-up’ on Jersey.


In the bleak days of March 2008, the world’s media gathered outside Haut de la Garenne, a forbidding and isolated former workhouse and children’s home on Jersey. Police were digging for possible human remains and other evidence after almost 200 former residents of the home alleged abuse, including torture and rape, by staff and visitors over many years, with claims that some youngsters had “disappeared”.
Officers from mainland British forces, who had previously taken over leadership of the local force on a mission to root out alleged “endemic corruption” within Jersey’s constabulary, led the high‑profile investigation into historical child abuse on the island.
Now two of those officers, Jersey’s former Chief Officer Graham Power and the former Deputy Chief Officer Lenny Harper, the senior officer in the Haut de la Garenne abuse inquiry, are backing victims’ calls for an outside force to investigate allegations that Sir Jimmy Savile and others, including some celebrities, regularly sexually abused children on Jersey.
The shocking revelations of Savile’s depraved behaviour have, to the relief of the Jersey abuse victims, refocused attention on Haut de la Garenne. In their view, it confirms their claims that the home was at the heart of a well-protected paedophile ring.
Allegations against Savile and other famous and powerful people were made during the 2008 inquiry. Earlier this week, the Telegraph revealed that another alleged abuser was the actor Wilfrid Brambell, the “dirty old man” of Steptoe and Son fame. One of two boys whom he abused in a back room at the Jersey Opera House in the Seventies was from Haut de la Garenne.

The States of Jersey Police have confirmed that an Haut de la Garenne resident had alleged abuse by Savile in the mid-Seventies during the 2008 inquiry, but said there had been insufficient evidence for an investigation to proceed. The authority has also confirmed that three more victims of Savile on Jersey have contacted them in recent days.
Carrie Modral, chair of the Jersey Care Leavers’ Association, a charity run by people who have spent time in care, says: “It’s good that the Savile scandal is making people think more about what happened here. But why have the States of Jersey only admitted it about Savile now? Because he’s dead and he can’t talk or bring down all the other big names. Their view would be that we, the survivors, keep going on about celebrities abusing kids at Haut de la Garenne, so OK, 'Here’s one, he’s dead and he can’t talk.’ But Savile was just the tip of the iceberg.”
Lenny Harper agrees: “Savile chose his victims with great care; vulnerable and often troubled youngsters many in care homes. If they complained they were labelled troublemakers, or brutally put down. We know from court cases and statements made to my team [during the 2008 inquiry] that children in Jersey care homes were 'loaned out’ to members of the yachting fraternity and other prominent citizens on the pretence of recreational trips but during which they were savagely abused and often raped.
“When these children complained they were beaten and locked in cellars [at Haut de la Garenne], which the Jersey authorities denied existed in 2008, but which can still be seen on YouTube footage. What chance did they have? This would have been the perfect hunting ground for Savile. The great and good of Jersey fawn over anyone with even loose connections to British royalty. Saville would have been a VIP to them and children would not have stood a dog’s chance of complaining about him. It would have been so easy for him.”
Rumours about abuse at Haut de la Garenne had been rife for years but, according to Harper, junior police officers who tried to help those making allegations were “thwarted by corrupt seniors”. He claims that the 2008 inquiry so infuriated and embarrassed Jersey’s establishment that a campaign was initiated to smear the lead officers and label them credulous and money-wasting.
The dig at the home was discredited, supposedly having found nothing, but even Harper’s critical successors in the investigation admit that at least three human bone fragments were found and children’s teeth, from between 10 and 65 children of all ages.
These have never been adequately explained, Harper says. “They were not from a long ago cemetery or all animal bones, but the bones proved impossible to date. One anthropologist said they were a couple of decades old, but another said they could not be dated. We’ll never know. They were definitely human and juvenile.”
Harper retired in autumn 2008, to help care for his daughter and her young family, after his Army officer son-in-law was killed in Afghanistan. His supportive boss, Chief Officer Graham Power, a former senior Met officer and recipient of the Queen’s Police Medal, was suspended in November 2008. Both officers were later investigated by outside forces, at Jersey’s instigation, but no evidence of misconduct was found.
Jersey’s former health minister, Stuart Syvret, who backed the victims and police in the 2008 investigation, was also sacked. He was imprisoned last year for publicising a serious allegation on another, unrelated matter which, for legal reasons, cannot be described.
Syvret told the Telegraph: “Jimmy Savile abused children in Jersey. I believed his victims. Just as I believe the two people who told me of child abuse by another TV personality [this week confirmed as Brambell] on Jersey from the Seventies. Just as I believed those who told me that the authorities of the day had ignored their complaints of years of abuse by others in Jersey’s children’s homes. Savile is dead, so why must we dig into the sorry and wretched details? Because the crucial feature of this case is not so much the individual crimes, as bad as they are, and as damaging for the victims; it is, instead, what I call the 'culture of cover‑up’.”
As a result of the fallout from the investigation into Haut de la Garenne, the public was left believing that Harper and his team had over-reacted to the abuse allegations. Yet seven former members of staff at the home have since been convicted of abuse, and to date compensation has been agreed for over 100 victims, with many more civil cases pending. Police had allegations against 150 individuals, many never adequately investigated – including Savile. There are at least four known victims of Savile from Jersey, and at least one disclosed their abuse to police in 2008, yet it is only now that their claims are being considered seriously.
Jersey Police have confirmed that one victim made accusations against Savile in 2008. But, for reasons that are still unclear, it is thought the allegations were not typed up into the statements seen by senior officers. It is believed that Savile denied ever having been to Haut de la Garenne and threatened to sue a newspaper for claiming that he visited the home.
Although the Metropolitan Police are co-ordinating inquiries across Britain into Savile’s alleged crimes, it is individual forces that are expected to examine them in detail. Carrie Modral says few of the victims trust Jersey’s police to do so. “That window of opportunity closed when the Jersey establishment got rid of the good cops,” she says.
It was a member of the Jersey Care Leavers’ Association who told police in 2008 that she was sexually abused at Haut de la Garenne by Savile. “The news about Savile has brought it all back, she is in great distress,” says Modral. “Savile visited regularly, not just Haut de la Garenne but other children’s homes on the island. He wasn’t the only visitor. The victim has named another household name who visited the home with Savile.”
She added: “I can tell you that two staff members who abused her at another home have been imprisoned, and the authorities have agreed financial compensation for her. But another man in a position of authority who regularly visited Haut de la Garenne and abused her there is still free and now employed in a responsible position by the state.”
Lenny Harper has confirmed to the Telegraph that he arrested this man for allegedly raping two other children at the home: “I gave a lot of information to the authorities about him, but he’s still employed by them in a senior position,” Harper says. “There were two solid allegations of rape against him that would have been proceeded with if it was in the UK. There was similar fact evidence. But Jersey’s Attorney General ruled that it was not.
“When we started the dig this man turned up and demanded access to the site. He allegedly wanted to get some stuff he’d left there years before. Yet this man’s name aroused more fear in the victims than any other in the inquiry.”
Ms Modral agreed: “He was no holds barred. And I have been told he made it clear he had friends and felt he would be protected. If he goes down he will bring down the government [in Jersey], because of what he knows about other people. The press needs now to look at all the other big name visitors to the home.”
What Savile did to the victim was “horrible, but small beer” compared to what others did to her, says Modral. “Savile put her on his knee and got his hand up her skirt. Then he tried to touch her little sister, and she pulled her away when he started to cuddle her. She was already being abused at Haut de la Garenne by staff, so she knew what he would do. Imagine being so young yourself and trying to save your little sister. They were 11 and nine.”
Modral says she met Savile when he visited a youth club on the island. “It’s ridiculous that he said he was never here. He was always coming to the island to open charity walks, and [visit] the children’s home and children would go [to see him]. I didn’t like the man, I stayed well away, I found him frightening, just the look of him.”
Possible links are emerging between abuse in Jersey children’s homes and the earlier notorious Islington children’s homes paedophile ring. A key figure in the ring, Islington’s deputy children’s homes superintendent Nicholas Rabet, came from Jersey. He had worked there in childcare, and regularly took children from the north London council’s homes on camping trips to the island.
Rabet fled Britain after the press exposed him, but was charged in Thailand in 2006 with abusing 30 boys there, the youngest six. He killed himself before he could be tried. His ally, Neil Hocquart, killed himself in custody in Ely, Cambridgeshire, in 1991, after being found with hundreds of paedophile videos. He had grown up in care in Norfolk and was taken to Guernsey, where he became the “cabin boy” of a sea captain, before returning to Britain to recruit children for the paedophile ring. Karin Ward, who featured in the ITV documentary about Savile that sparked the current inquiries, has described being abused by the star during a camping trip from her Norfolk children’s home.
The former Jersey Chief Officer Graham Power says the fact that more than 100 victims on Jersey have now received out-of-court settlements and a significant number of civil cases are still pending illustrates the scale of the abuse. He says he understands why victims mistrust the local force to investigate the Savile allegations: “The scale of abuse that occurred in this small community was so great that it seems to be beyond doubt that persons in authority must have known something of what was taking place, and, from what we know so far, they appear to have done nothing to protect the children who were being abused in establishments operated by their own government. This is a matter which merits honest and independent examination.”
Alan Collins, a solicitor with Pannone, a legal firm specialising in abuse cases that is representing 58 of the victims, says initially all the focus was on Haut de la Garenne, its workers and management. “Jimmy Savile was a sideshow. I honestly couldn’t say how many have named Savile. But there were several people who named him, it was plural, not singular. All the allegations need to be looked at now en masse for similar fact evidence, because now we are seeing a bigger jigsaw. Each individual complaint makes more sense now. Savile is dead but others who abused them are not.”
The Attorney General, William Bailhache, issued a statement in June 2009 stating that two historic abuse investigations were dropped because of a lack of evidence. “Cases of this nature are often difficult. There is rarely any independent evidence, and often the cases come down to being the word of one person against another… A decision not to bring criminal proceedings does not necessarily mean that those who have made complaints are not believed. A decision not to prosecute means only that the Attorney General, having fully considered all of the available evidence and other information, has decided that an acquittal is more likely than a conviction.”



FROM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/u...e-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html
Angryhead

Hi, nairda... yes. I get where you're coming from.

UNI... thanks for the link. It seems all the people who've been shunned, derided and ignored for years are being invited back into the spotlight at long last.

Taken from 'MailOnline' (October 20th 2012)...

BBC chief Entwistle refuses to be interviewed by Panorama over Jimmy Savile scandal
BBC director general George Entwistle is refusing to be interviewed for Panorama’s programme on the Jimmy Savile scandal, due to air on Monday.
His advisers are citing legal advice that he should restrict his statements to the police, official inquiries and a Commons committee hearing on Tuesday.



Full story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...anorama-Jimmy-Savile-scandal.html



Also from the 'MailOnline', the well-known journalist/columnist and TV pundit, Peter Hitchens (October 13th 2012)...

Savile's secret is finally out. But what about all the other lies?
What else are they keeping from you? I now discover that I am almost the only journalist who didn’t know that Jimmy Savile was a child molester.  
If they all knew, why didn’t they tell you? And what, exactly, is the point of the police investigating the misdeeds of a corpse? What will they do if they find a case to answer? Refer it to the CPS? Put his cadaver on trial and send it to prison?
Well, let them explain all that. What’s much, much more important is that you now know that there is a lot going on that nobody tells you.

They don’t tell you because they’re scared that very rich men can use the libel courts to ruin those who tell the truth about them.
Remember Robert Maxwell? He’s dead, too. But do you think he has no living equivalents?

They don’t tell you because there are powerful commercial or political interests involved. Or because journalists themselves have bad consciences. Or because a lie is much more comforting and convenient than the truth.

If Jimmy Savile’s long and uninterrupted career of despicable crime teaches us anything, it is to hold hard to that old but reliable motto ‘Never Believe Anything Until It Has Been Officially Denied’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate...nally-But-lies.html#ixzz29dpKz6HR



Guys... if you haven't taken a look at this posting by Uprising, then you should. It ties in to the Savile thread (as you'll see)...

http://alteredge.myfreeforum.org/...se_read_and_share__about1118.html
deadpeoplestuff

Here we go...

The bastards have the 'fixers' in play to manage or rather contain the story - damage limitation. Commons Committee...yeah because we know how bloody effective they are...run by yet more people with plenty to hide!

It won't wash - remember to advise people to read the other* news stories and join the dots

(*other as in social services, childrens homes, skeletons)
under no illusion

Revealed: Newsnight emails that accuse BBC of Jimmy Savile cover-up

BBC boss was warned that broadcaster has issued 'misleading statements' about aborted Savile documentary.

The new Director-General of the BBC, George Entwistle, failed to adequately respond to an impassioned warning from a senior Newsnight journalist that the Corporation has been involved in a “concerted effort” to cover up the circumstances surrounding its decision not to screen an investigation into sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile.

A leading journalist on the original Savile exposé, Liz MacKean, has told Mr Entwistle he is mistaken in the account he has given to the BBC's staff and that the Corporation has issued "repeated misleading statements", The Independent has learnt.

Mr Entwistle declined the opportunity to speak to Ms MacKean even though he knew her, and replied with a two-line note, passing the matter to a colleague. The Director-General's handling of the matter is likely to weaken his position ahead of his appearance before Parliament on Tuesday, when he is expected to face difficult questions on his handling of the scandal that emerged during his first month in his post.

Ms MacKean and her colleague Meirion Jones, both experienced investigative journalists working on the original Savile story for the BBC, were yesterday summoned to a meeting by Peter Horrocks, the BBC's Director of Global News, who has stepped in to oversee the Corporation's ongoing coverage. It is believed to be the first time the two journalists who worked on the investigation have been given the chance to put their version of events to senior BBC management. In her email to Mr Entwistle 12 days ago, Ms MacKean said she wanted to "share with you my disquiet about the handling of the Newsnight Savile story". She denied Mr Entwistle's previous assertion that the story was "about the Surrey police investigation" and rejected an account by the Newsnight editor Peter Rippon, who posted a blog on the BBC website on 2 October, the day before ITV's Savile documentary, explaining his decision to drop the BBC's story.

"Ever since the report was dropped [by the BBC], just ahead of it being edited, there have been repeated misleading statements from the press office about the nature of our investigation," wrote Ms MacKean, who also complained about Newsnight's coverage of the scandal, once it had broken.

"To see what began as a BBC story running large on ITV is a hard thing. For it not to be mentioned in any way on Newsnight is another, quite absurd, thing. But worst of all has been what seems like a concerted effort to make it appear that our story was about something else, something that could be dropped and forgotten ahead of fulsome tribute programmes. It is this which seems to be fuelling the damaging claims of a cover-up."

The journalist's suggestion that the investigation was close to the edit stage and was sacrificed in December 2011 for How's About That Then?, a positive programme about Savile's life – which fell under Mr Entwistle's responsibility as BBC Director of Vision – raises questions about whether he did enough to satisfy himself that the former Jim'll Fix It presenter was worthy of such a tribute – and whether Mr Rippon should have warned BBC senior management about the evidence his team had gathered.

Mr Entwistle has publicly said he was determined not to interfere in an independent editorial process and, although he was aware of a Newsnight investigation into Savile, "had no idea what the nature of the investigation was".

He replied to Ms MacKean – who he knew from his time as editor of Newsnight – with a two-line note: "Thank you for this. I have asked Ken MacQuarrie from BBC Scotland to get in touch with you to discuss this." But Mr MacQuarrie's role was quickly superseded by other official BBC inquiries announced this month. It is understood Mr Entwistle thought it inappropriate to speak directly to the journalists, who were asked to clarify their complaints.

Rob Wilson, the Conservative MP for Reading East, said: "George Entwistle's biggest weakness is that he failed in his duty on behalf of the licence fee payers – he should have been in a position to stop the tribute programmes because he was asking the right questions internally about Jimmy Savile."

The Independent understands that a documentary by the BBC's own Panorama programme into the Savile scandal has obtained a series of internal BBC emails which throw new light on the background to the decision not to broadcast the Newsnight exposé.

Panorama interviewed both Ms MacKean and Mr Jones on Thursday and is understood to be in possession of an email from Mr Jones, in which the investigative reporter warned Mr Rippon in December 2011 of the likely consequences of his decision to abandon the story, accurately predicting the furore that has engulfed the BBC 10 months later. Another contemporaneous email from Ms MacKean, written to a friend, is said to express her frustration that Mr Rippon had pulled the programme after expressing a reluctance to fight the BBC's internal compliance culture. A further email contains Mr Rippon's response to the BBC press office's email about the programme – in which he says that the investigation has been dropped and reportedly accuses the Corporation's communications team of putting "the cart before the horse".

This correspondence is understood to have been copied to the Deputy Director of BBC News, Stephen Mitchell, and raises further questions as to how much the BBC executive team knew of the strength of Newsnight's evidence on Savile, ahead of the tribute programme on 28 December. After news emerged that ITV was planning a documentary on allegations of sexual abuse by Savile, Ms MacKean is understood to have made a late attempt to salvage the Newsnight piece but was told "we are not going to jump on the ITV bandwagon".

Panorama is hoping to screen its documentary on Monday evening. Jones is now working with the flagship investigative team – which is a fierce rival of Newsnight's – although he is understood to have only a consultancy role. The Panorama programme is expected to be presented by Scottish-based presenter Shelley Jofre, who had no connection with the previous investigation.

Mr Horrocks' decision to hold talks yesterday with the two Newsnight journalists was regarded within the BBC news division as a signal of his intention to take a leading role in the crisis, which has raised doubts about Mr Entwistle's future as Director-General.

Mr Horrocks's role on the Savile story is the result of Director of News Helen Boaden having to stand back from coverage of the issue as she was head of the chain of command when the piece was dropped. The BBC says this was an editorial decision taken by Mr Rippon.

Earlier this week, the Culture Secretary Maria Miller called on the chair of the BBC Trust Lord Patten to seek assurances that the BBC's independent reviews into the Savile affair, one led by former High Court judge Dame Janet Smith, the other by former head of Sky News Nick Pollard, will have "unfettered access" to all sources of information.

Yesterday, Scotland Yard announced that Operation Yewtree, the inquiry into alleged child sexual exploitation by Savile and others, has become a formal criminal investigation. After two weeks of gathering information from both the public and a number of organisations, more than 400 lines of inquiry have been assessed and over 200 potential victims have been identified.

A spokesman for Scotland Yard said: "As we have said from the outset, our work was never going to take us into a police investigation into Jimmy Savile. What we have established in the past two weeks is that there are lines of inquiry involving living people that require formal investigation."

Peter Watt, head of the NSPCC's helpline, said: "It's now looking possible that Jimmy Savile was one the most prolific sex offenders the NSPCC has ever come across. We have received more than 136 calls directly relating to allegations against him which we've passed to the police."

A BBC spokesman said: "The BBC has confirmed it has launched an independent review led by former court of appeal judge Dame Janet Smith which will cover these questions. It would not be appropriate to comment further until these have been concluded."

Smoking gun? Email to Entwistle

Sent: Mon 8/10/2012

From: Liz MacKean, Newsnight

To: George Entwistle, Director-General

Ever since the report was dropped [by the BBC], just ahead of it being edited, there have been repeated misleading statements from the press office about the nature of our investigation… Worst of all has been what seems like a concerted effort to make it appear that our story was about something else, something that could be dropped and forgotten ahead of fulsome tribute programmes. It is this which seems to be fuelling the damaging claims of a cover-up.[i]


FROM: http://www.independent.co.uk/news...jimmy-savile-coverup-8218971.html
under no illusion

Police investigate possibility Jimmy Savile was centre of child abuse ring

Police are investigating over 400 lines of inquiry including some alleging abuse by other people connected with Savile.

Scotland Yard detectives are expected to make swift arrests in a major criminal probe into the possibility that Jimmy Savile was at the centre of a network of child abusers who targeted more than 200 victims.

The vast majority of the victims allege they were abused by Savile. But detectives announced on Friday that they were mounting a full criminal investigation after some of the hundreds of people who have come forward in response to the unfolding scandal made allegations that they were abused by other individuals who are still alive. It is understood that most of these claims of sexual abuse relate to people who were associated with Savile in some way.

It is not known how many individuals are being investigated.

Commander Peter Spindler, from the Metropolitan police, said his officers were pursuing more than 400 lines of inquiry. They have uncovered allegations against living people that require a formal criminal investigation, he said.

The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children said it was now likely Savile was one of the most prolific sex offenders they have ever come across.

"We are dealing with alleged abuse on an unprecedented scale," said Spindler. "The profile of this operation has empowered a staggering number of victims to come forward to report the sexual exploitation which occurred during their childhood.

"I am pleased that victims feel confident enough to speak out about the abuse they suffered and would like to reassure the public that we take all these cases very seriously and they will be investigated with the utmost sensitivity."

The officer leading the criminal investigation, Detective Chief Superintendent Keith Niven, head of the child abuse investigation command, is running a criminal inquiry with no scene of crime and no forensic evidence. A source with knowledge of the investigation of child abuse reported by adults said officers would be looking for "chimes" in victims' accounts and corroborating details against suspects. The strength of a case against a suspect would be all the greater if a number of people have come forward with similar stories.

Experts in cases of child abuse reported by adults many years later say arrests are likely to take place quickly.

Jonathan West, a leading child protection campaigner who as a parent helped expose a 60-year-old sex abuse scandal at Ealing Abbey, in west London, said he was "not in the least surprised" that the Met police was now involved in a criminal investigation into other individuals.

"It is quite common that where one person is found to have committed child sex abuse in an institutional context – most likely a school but also in hospitals and now as we have discovered at the BBC – it is usually a sign that the institution's child protection practices are inadequate.

"And it quite often happens that more than one person manages to take advantage of that."

Peter Watt, the head of the NSPCC, said it had passed more than 136 calls directly relating to allegations against Savile to police. It now appeared, he said, that the late celebrity was "one of the most prolific sex offenders the NSPCC has ever come across."

"It's important we recognise the brave step victims have taken in coming forward and we urge any other victims to do the same," he said.

But Noreen Tehrani, a psychologist who works with adult victims of child abuse, warned that the impact on victims of such a high profile inquiry could be devastating and they would need specialist support.

"Forget that these victims are in their 40s and 50s now. What will happen is they will be thrown back to that traumatic event when they were a child," she said. "They will look back on what happened as adults and the guilt and blame will be greater. They will have to keep being told it was not their fault, they were a child. It's not enough for the NSPCC to provide a helpline number, these people will need specialist support. And I really worry about that, I really worry about these victims and who is going to pick them up as this plays out."

The Met police launched Operation Yewtree, its assessment of allegations involving Savile, a fortnight ago and has been flooded with information from members of the public, including alleged victims and witnesses.

On Friday, Greg Dyke, the former BBC director-general criticised the corporation's response to the Savile scandal.

He said the BBC should "have moved very quickly" to explain why a Newsnight report about allegations of sexual abuse by the late DJ was dropped.

"Someone had to explain why they took a decision not to do it because otherwise it left them looking suspicious and it looked like they had been leaned on because the BBC wanted to run two specials about Savile, which I don't believe would have happened," he said.

The Met has told the BBC that it can now begin its own internal reviews into alleged abuse by Savile.

Dame Janet Smith, who headed the Shipman inquiry, has been appointed to head an inquiry into Savile's time at the BBC, and Scotland Yard said it recognised "her need to progress this important work". Former head of Sky news Nick Pollard is carrying out a separate inquiry into why the Newsnight programme was pulled by the BBC.

It also emerged on Friday that the BBC was aiming to rush a special edition of Panorama into its schedules looking into issues surrounding Savile's years of abuse, which could be run on Monday.



FROM: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2.../19/jimmy-savile-child-abuse-ring
JAY

BBC insiders knew Savile abuse: Lawyer
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/267971.html

Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:22PM GMT

The Jimmy Savile scandal has widened following new claims that insiders of the British state-run broadcaster BBC were aware that the former broadcaster had abused children in the 1960s, a lawyer who specializes in sexual abuse cases says.

Alan Collins, of Pannone solicitors, said credible evidence shows that former colleagues of the late BBC host knew of claims that he was a serial abuser of young boys in locations such as the corporation's premises.

Referring to evidence from 12 people who claim to have been abused by the presenter, Collins added, “The claims appear credible. They are standalone allegations and stretch back to the early 1970s. There is also 'similar fact' [corroborating] evidence which is compelling.”

The lawyer also stressed that the BBC’s managers could be found to have committed a criminal offence if they were aware of the claims concerning Savile’s sexual abuse of children and failed to report them.

"The story is not about Savile. The real story is how was he able to get away with abusing children, if that is what was happening, for so long,” Collins further said.

Scotland Yard has launched a full-scale criminal investigation into the alleged sexual abuse by Savile and other people connected with him, resulting in the assessment of over 400 separate lines of inquiry and identification of more than 200 potential victims.

Meanwhile, Collins warned that the numbers were only the "tip of the iceberg" because "most victims don't come forward, for obvious reasons".

SSM/JR/HE


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kath / Oct 22, 2012 7:53 AM

The BBC needs clearing out and starting anew. It has strayed so far from it's remit that it's unrecognisable to many as a competent broadcaster. This culture of secrecy and whispers is just part of the problem. At the heart is an organisation thoroughly corrupted by small but powerful influences that controls the agenda of a public body. Enough is enough, time to drag the BBC into the 21st century, free from it's institutional bias and cover-up.


Israel is racist / Oct 21, 2012 7:32 PM

So this is how the British treat their children then? Seduce them and satanicly abuse them.


ehsan / Oct 21, 2012 6:8 PM

who is responsible for this immoral act, can anybody answer? do they publish this news?


kate / Oct 21, 2012 6:7 PM

shame on BBC and Savile to their action, disgusting


REALIST / Oct 21, 2012 4:35 PM

BBC created, promoted and protected the sex attacker paedophile JIMMY SAVILE!! THEY PROTECTED HIM, AND LET HIM GO ON ABUSING THE POOR UNDER AGES CHILDREN WHO THOUGHT THE SO CALLED TRUSTED BBC WAS A FUN PLACE TO GO TO AND ATTEND THE PROGRAMMES ARRANGED BY THE BBC FOR THEM!! THE POOR CHILDREN OR THEIR POOR PARENTS HARDLY KNEW THAT THEY WERE SELECTED AND PICKED TO BE ATTENDING SEX PARTIES ARRANGED BY THE LIKES OF JIMMY SAVILE AT BBC!! IT WAS ALSO DISCOVERED THAT JIMMY SAVILE USED HIS FAME PROMOTED BY THE BBC TO GO ON ABUSING CHILDREN IN HOSPITALS, CHARITY ORGANISATIONS AND WHEREVER HE COULD USE HIS BBC GAINED FAME TO ABUSE UNDER AGED CHILDREN!! THEY EVEN AWARD HIM MEDALS ! WELL BBC IS IMMUNE FROM OFCOM AND I HOPE THAT THE UNFIT TO BROADCAST BBC WILL BE BANNED FROM AIR AND THE SEX DEN FOR THE PAEDOPHILES CLOSED!!


Naeem / Oct 21, 2012 4:16 PM

In america more than 100,000 kids are sold into sexual slavery every year the war against kids is satanic. Its should be the jobs of the leaders to stop these crimes but were finding out that their involved. Most of the time their blackmailed by the mossad to carry out political decision on behalf of israel because they don't want their crimes to be told.


Howz about dat then? / Oct 21, 2012 3:41 PM

How many other living media, celebrity and showbiz stars as well as those in puppet-government, royal family members, police, military, freemasons, civil servants, industrialists, business and media tycoons, sports stars, and judges who are the higher echelons of society, are all involved in the murderous, Satanic and Child Ritual Abuse/paedophilia that is contaminating the United Kingdom? Their crimes are being protected in secrecy. They must and will be exposed to the world and suffer humiliation and the brutal consequences of their actions that await them. Throw away the TV and do not pay your TV licence!
under no illusion

Jimmy Savile: Questions for Edwina Currie and the BBC


The scandal of how Sir Jimmy Savile was able to abuse young girls for decades deepened last night after a Sunday Telegraph investigation implicated former government ministers and executives at the BBC.

The scandal of how Sir Jimmy Savile was able to abuse young girls for decades deepened last night after a Sunday Telegraph investigation implicated both former government ministers and executives at the BBC.
A series of institutional failings gave Savile access to victims and prevented his detection in his lifetime.
The revelations come as pressure intensifies over the current BBC management’s decision to drop a Newsnight investigation into Savile.
The BBC will go to war with itself tomorrow when Panorama, it flagship news programme, threatens to dismantle the corporation’s official reason for doing so.
The Sunday Telegraph understands a series of damaging emails show the BBC had set a transmission date for the Newsnight investigation, which would have exposed Savile in December last year. But in the days beforehand the programme’s editor ordered that more information was required, which according to one Newsnight source effectively killed off the investigation.

The claims will fuel the growing suspicion that senior executives interfered because another part of the BBC was planning two tribute programmes to Savile.
A Sunday Telegraph investigation today reveals:
* Edwina Currie appointed Savile to run a taskforce in charge of Broadmoor in the 1980s, where he is accused of sexually assaulting patients;
* the taskforce he presided over was given temporary powers to oversee the running of the hospital following a series of industrial disputes - despite the fact Savile, a disc jockey and television presenter, had no professional qualifications;
* a friend of Savile’s from his hometown in Leeds was then given the most senior job at Broadmoor;
* the BBC investigated a lurid sex scandal at Top of the Pops and Radio 1 in the early 1970s, but never made the report public;
* Savile was interviewed by the BBC as part of that inquiry but refused to cooperate, according to a senior source.
Scotland Yard last week announced it was launching a full-scale criminal inquiry into other members of Savile’s alleged sex ring who remain alive. The Met police is now looking at 400 separate lines of inquiry and more than 200 potential victims.
Savile, despite having no expertise in mental health, was given the job of chairman of the taskforce overseeing Broadmoor in 1988 after the hospital had been placed under direct control of the Thatcher government following a series of strikes.
Mrs Currie at the time was health minister with responsibility for the country’s high security hospitals under the auspices of Kenneth Clarke, the then-Health Secretary. Savile counted himself as a friend of Margaret Thatcher and reportedly stayed at Chequers on a number of occasions.
Savile had had a long association with Broadmoor, having been a volunteer worker there in the 1970s and 1980s with the unofficial title “honourary entertainments officer”. He had his own set of keys and living quarters on site.
Pete Saunders, the chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said of Savile's role at the mental hospital: "It really is akin to giving Dracula the keys to the blood bank. It really is outrageous that a disc jockey was given unfettered access to Broadmoor."
Savile’s appointment to the taskforce is now subject to a Department of Health official inquiry but last night Mrs Currie said: “The Department of Health are digging out the papers from the archives and I just don’t know - I’m ransacking my own notes to try to work out what happened, so I am not denying it, it is just very hard to tell.”
The former minister told The Sunday Telegraph that having checked her personal diaries, she had found a note of a meeting with Savile in Leeds in September 1988 - the month the taskforce was appointed. In the entry she described his thoughts on Broadmoor as “intriguing”.
Mrs Currie recorded that during the meeting Savile had told her that he suspected staff were inflating their salaries - and that he had threatened to pass the information to the tabloid papers if the staff caused him any trouble.
Savile also told her he had uncovered millions of pounds missing from budgets and poor use of the hospital’s housing stock.
“In my diary, I wrote 'Attaboy’, she said. “This was what he claimed to be doing; now it is hard to know whether any of it is true. And obviously when you look back, it does suggest he was prepared to use blackmail to ensure people did what he wanted.”
Mrs Currie, who had previously met Savile on his television programme Jim’ll Fix it and on visits to Leeds General Infirmary, where he also worked, said she now thought the presenter was “totally evil” and that she was glad criminal investigations were underway.
Savile once described himself in a newspaper interview as “the boss of Broadmoor” and in 1989 said he was responsible for the freeing of 60 patients and intended to introduce “mixed sex wings” so patients could fall in love with each other.
Following Savile’s appointment at Broadmoor, Alan Franey, an administrator who spent 10 years working at Leeds General Infirmary, also began work on the same taskforce, with progress to be reported to Mrs Currie.
In a book about psychiatric care, Mr Franey described having “an unusual meeting” with health officials in the Athenaeum Club in London, where his new role on the temporary taskforce was proposed.
He neglected to mention in the book that Savile, who was a member of the Athenaeum, was also present. When asked by The Sunday Telegraph if Savile was also there, Mr Franey agreed.
In 1989, Mr Franey was put in overall charge of Broadmoor, where he remained for nine years before retiring as chief executive.
Mr Franey worked as an assistant general manager at Leeds General Infirmary from 1975 to 1985, when the television presenter was volunteering as a night porter. Savile is also accused of sexually abusing girls at the Leeds hospital.
Mr Franey said he got to know Savile because they were among half a dozen men who ran charity marathons together. He said: “I am absolutely astonished. There was absolutely no indication that he was doing what was alleged.”
Mr Franey insisted his friendship with Savile did not help him to get the job on the taskforce, and that he later got the job as general manager of Broadmoor through open competition.
Mr Franey took early retirement from Broadmoor following an inquiry into the hospital in March 1997. The inquiry followed claims made in newspapers that a child pornography ring was operating at Broadmoor.
Although the full report was never published, a summary found no evidence to support the allegations but made some criticisms of lax security while pointing out the hospital had actually improved under Mr Franey’s management.
Mr Franey is insistent that he only resigned because he wished to write a book and was ready to retire. He is now a Conservative councillor in Welwyn Hatfield, Hertfordshire.
Last night, Ray Rowden, a former senior NHS executive supervising England’s three high-security hospitals - a job he took up in 1996, a year before Mr Franey’s retirement - said: “He [Mr Franey] used to boast that he would drive him [Savile] around nightclubs in Leeds in the 1980s.”
Mr Rowden said that on his first visits to Broadmoor, he was shocked that Savile appeared to be able to turn up at whenever he wanted - as did Princess Diana - and tackled Mr Franey about it.
“I said to him how can you let Princess Diana and Jimmy Savile into Broadmoor to wander about whenever they want? This is a high-security hospital - would you let any other Tom, Dick or Harry in?”
Mr Franey said claims he had driven Savile to nightclubs was “rubbish”. He added: “I have never been to a nightclub in my life.” He said the conversation with Mr Rowden about visits from Savile and Princess Diana never occurred.
Savile was caught up in a sex scandal that engulfed Top of the Pops and Radio 1 in the early 1970s when police investigated claims that music companies hired prostitutes for disc jockeys and producers in return for playing their records on air.
The same officers also investigated the suicide of a 15-year-old dancer on Top of the Pops, who Savile is alleged to have abused. The Sunday Telegraph has been told that an independent inquiry launched by the BBC and run by a senior QC questioned Savile over the sex scandal but its findings were never made public.
Savile’s activities on Top of the Pops and other programmes where he is accused of raping and sexually assaulting girls on the corporation’s premises will form part of a new BBC inquiry into the time.
But it is the failure of the BBC to broadcast an investigation into his years of abuse that will come under the immediate spotlight.
Two journalists from Newsnight, who uncovered evidence of Savile’s sex crimes, have given interviews to Panorama questioning the BBC’s motives for ditching its original report.
Sources say emails will also question the BBC’s official version of events - that the investigation was only pulled because it failed to show failings at the Crown Prosecution Service in bringing a prosecution against Savile in 2008.
The claims will put renewed pressure on George Entwistle, the director general, who will be quizzed by MPs on the Culture Select Committee on Tuesday, only a few hours after the screening of Panorama.
Mr Entwistle faces claims that the Newsnight investigation was shelved to make way for two tribute programmes in honour of Savile following his death last year at the age of 84. At the time Mr Entwistle was BBC Director of Vision, overseeing the tribute programmes.
Much of the Newsnight evidence was contained in an ITV documentary a little over a fortnight ago which first exposed Savile as a predatory sexual offender.



FROM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/u...or-Edwina-Currie-and-the-BBC.html
Angryhead

The quotes below are taken from David Icke's interview with 'Red Ice Radio' (October 18th 2012).
He repeats many of the claims he made about Savile - and others - back in the late 1990s...

“… I’ve been talking about this guy Jimmy Savile being a paedophile - and a necrophiliac, he used to have a thing about sex with dead people - for many years, back to the late 90s, and of course ‘Icke’s a nutter’ and that stuff, but… he died this old guy of 84 and he was given a hero’s funeral… well, that’s not what they’re thinking now because the dike has been breached and it’s coming out, but, what is coming out - at the moment what is coming out - is that he was the most serial paedophile, and also, that he started his charities and did his charity work to get access to children… in hospitals - well, he did something else, as I was pointing out back in the late 90s - he got involved with hospitals ‘cos hospitals have mortuaries… I mean this man was seriously way out there.

But this is the bigger picture and what’s not coming out but should - and I was talking to a journalist today about it, I hope something will move forward as a result of it - is the reason he was untouchable, the reason that he could do anything he liked and that there were over the years police investigations started into claims of his paedophilia with underage girls, but those investigations came nowhere - was because that he wasn’t just a paedophile, he was a procurer of children for the rich and famous including the Royal Family. It’s not a accident or coincidence that Savile in his own words said that he was introduced to the Royal Family - first of all in the 1960s - by a man called Lord Louis Mountbatten who was a known paedophile by anyone who’s investigated this, and it was Mountbatten that introduced Savile to Prince Phillip and Prince Charles and Savile became very, very close to both of them until he had a massive row apparently with Phillip. And I was told all this in the late 90s by a lady called Christine Fitzgerald who had been a close friend of and confidant of Princess Diana for 9 years - acknowledged as such by the media - but they fell out a little while before Diana was killed, but, she told me about Mountbatten, she told me about Charles, she told me what went on in the Royal Family… and also, what was leftfield for me at the time, about Jimmy Savile - as others have too - and I said to her, ’why would the Royal Family be so close to this ageing disc-jockey?’ And then they told me about the paedophilia and the necrophilia and all the rest of it. And so, because he was a procurer of children, it meant that he was never gonna go down so long as he kept quiet and - you know - played the game as they wanted it played and doing what he was doing for them. He would never go down because of their backs and his back are the same back, because if he goes to court and starts blubbing, then they’re in trouble, so… this is one of the reasons that there’s this secrecy and protection is so powerful within these paedophile and Satanic rings… it’s because all the backs are dependent upon other backs not being - you know - collared for this stuff, so they support each other. And if you’ve got your people in the judiciary, in the law, in politics, in social services, in law enforcement (police and stuff… and in coroners‘ offices, and all the rest of it), then you have the ring in the places that can put the lid on something and stop the truth coming out. He actually did an interview with ’Esquire Magazine’ in which he actually said that one of the reasons that he was liked by the Royal Family, is that he was able to work - quote - ‘deep cover,’ and do things which no one knew he was doing, and he said that the Royal Family were always asking him to Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace where Princess Diana lived after the break-up with Charles, to Highgrove Charles’s country estate… and also - according to Savile - he was invited to have Christmas dinner with Margaret Thatcher many, many times over the years when she was Prime Minister, and now the stories are starting to appear about the fact that Savile was providing children for a guy called Ted Heath. Well, Ted Heath was in my book ‘The Biggest Secret’ - it came out in 1998 - when I named him like - five, seven years before he died, he was still a politician - as not just a practising Satanist and paedophile, but a serial child killer. And the passage in the book was read to him by a journalist as soon as after it came out in 1998 and nothing happened because I was spot on with that, because I don’t cross the line to naming people like that unless I’ve got a lot of back research, and I’m absolutely sure - I don’t wanna name people when it’s not true. And Heath has been connected to the Jersey childrens’ home - that story that broke some years ago…. Savile’s connected to the same Jersey childrens’ home! He denied through his lawyer when a newspaper mentioned some years ago - when the story broke about the Jersey home that he had been there - he denied he’d ever been there, and then pictures appeared of him with the kids!

If you carry on researching through his own paedophilia - which is what the mainstream media in Britain are pretty much holding it at the moment - and you go into the procurement of children for the rich and famous that he was up to, then the questions the media are asking now is, ‘how could he work at the BBC and he’d be abusing underage girls in BBC dressing-rooms and BBC people knew about it, how could he do this, how could he do that? How come he was never known? How come there wasn’t an investigation?’ Well, once you take in or bring in - he was procuring children for the rich and famous - then you know why none of that happened, and it is an opportunity to really lift the lid on some of this stuff, and for people to start to realise that - you know - it’s not crazy to say these things have been going on, it is just telling the truth. This is what’s going on in the world, in the peripheral vision you’re not seeing.”
steveio

Just a few rambling thoughts here. I'm just confused as to why the powers that be have allowed this info to become mainstream. It could potentially lead to much more higher 'ups' to be implicated. So, why have they?..

So far, even the main stream media acknowledge that, royalty, senior politicians, senior media and all the other plebs have been associated with him. Some are said to be complicit.. and this in the MSM.. what is going on?

These are unreal times for me at the moment, what with the Hillsborough disclosures  and today the miners strike disclosures.. what the feck is going on?
under no illusion

BBC covered up Jimmy Savile’s child abuse because he was friends with Prince Charles, claims veteran broadcaster Bill Oddie

Veteran BBC presenter Bill Oddie yesterday backed claims disgraced Jimmy Savile’s abuse was covered up – because he was friends with Prince Charles.

The Springwatch star, who appeared on TOTP with the Goodies when Savile presented it during the 1970s, said there was a “running sick joke” at the BBC about Savile being a paedophile.

He suggested there might have been some sort of “censorship committee” preventing the truth being released because of Savile’s royal connections.



The presenter also backed claims made by other former BBC presenters that Savile’s antics were well known at the time.

He said: “The idea that youngsters were prey – everybody knew that.

“I was not surprised at all. And the surprise is in a sense that that didn’t happen years ago.

“The establishment or who ever it is decided to keep it all quiet and decided to give him a knighthood. He was, to a certain amount, a friend of royalty.”


The pair of friends chat happily during the charity trip, where Savile kept a holiday cottage
He added: “I do not know why it took so long to come to light. That is what I am curious about.

“Whether there is somewhere in Britain, some sort of censorship committee that we don’t know about that suppresses these thing and somebody gets together in a room and says ‘come on he was a friend of Prince Charles, it would look awfully bad on Prince Charles if we said he was a bit of a perv’.

“And someone decides ‘yes you are right, we will keep it quiet, nobody will ever find out.’

“I don’t know who that would be.”


Bill Oddie claims the BBC covered up Savile’s sex abuse
Speaking after a question and answer session with students of Cambridge University’s historic debating society – The Union Society – on Tuesday, Oddie said Savile’s reputation was “just taken for granted.”

He said: “There was just this running sick joke that Jimmy Savile pestered the young youths of both sexes.

“It was just taken for granted. It doesn’t mean anyone thought they must do something about it – and it probably wasn’t realised how serious it was – it certainly wasn’t realised to the extent of the hospital – which is horrendous.

“When this came out it was not a surprise at all. The surprise is that it did not come out a lot earlier and the puzzlement is or the question is was it covered up or did people just chose to ignore it or was there an order and if so from whom, by whom and with whom saying we are not going to allow this to get published.

“It does make you think who would you look at. Would you look at the BBC, the police, would you look at the NHS hospital people? Did they all know and didn’t say?”

Oddie revealed there was a “naive groupies scene” at the time.

He said: “This is not a mitigating circumstance obviously, but the only thing I will say is that that was a time in history in television and radio and live shows where there was a sort of naive groupies scene.

“I do not think the girls were incredibly promiscuous, certainly not the younger ones.
“There were people who hung around after gigs and tried to get to the stars – or the disk jockeys.

“You haven’t half got a booby prize if you went for Cliff Richard and ended up with Jimmy Savile.”

He added: “The thing that you could not ignore was that it was the era of the sort of groupies.

“Not the heavy groupy, but it was an extension of those shots of the Beatles in the 60s where there is hundreds of girls crying and screaming and god knows what – well that was pretty rife.

“My wife was saying the other day about a friend of hers from way back when they went to see the Monkeys and the girl said I am going to try and get in the dressing room and my wife said ‘he will only want one thing you know’ and she said yes I know that is what I am going for.

“But that is not quite the same thing as a paedophile – that was just rock bands and includes other people I am sure and is due to availability and other things. The 70s was like that.”

Oddie, who started on BBC radio with his show I’m Sorry I’ll Read That Again, reiterated claims that former director general of the BBC Mark Thompson must have known what was going on with Savile.

He said: “It is so extraordinary that there is any sort of mystery – when the ex head of the BBC Mark Thompson the other day said ‘I don’t know anything about it’.

“You worked at the BBC and you don’t know anything about it – don’t be ridiculous.

“That is absolute nonsense.”

Oddie claimed Savile “bribed his way out” of getting found out for molesting children in hospital because he was a large donor.

He said: “Anyone of that era knew something – he had a reputation for being a groper.

“The most awful aspect is the idea of molesting kids in hospital – that is just unbelievable. He was sort of bribing his way out of it by giving millions of pounds to the hospital – that is staggering.”

As well as Savile’s contact with children at the BBC, his interaction with sick youngsters at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, in Sussex, and Leeds General Infirmary, is also being investigated.


FROM: http://swns.com/news/jimmy-savile...-charles-claims-bill-oddie-26272/
under no illusion

BBC Staff Knew Jimmy Savile Targeted 'Under-Age Subnormals', Claims Paul Gambaccini

Jimmy Savile's former BBC radio colleague Paul Gambaccini claimed on Tuesday it was known among staff that the late presenter targeted vulnerable, "institutionalised" young people.

And he alluded to claims Savile had been involved in "necrophilia" and questioned why newspapers had failed to run stories about suspicions while he was alive.

Gambaccini had worked with Savile at Radio 1 where he had first heard stories about his abuse of under-age girls.

He told Radio 5 Live presenter Nicky Campbell this morning that he used a "politically incorrect" term to categorise the people to whom Savile devoted his attentions.

"The expression I came to associate with Savile's sexual partners was either one used by production assistants or one I made up to summarise their reports ... 'under-age subnormals'," said Gambaccini.

"He targeted the institutionalised, the hospitalised - and this was known. Why did Jimmy go to hospitals? That's where the patients were."

But he said these things were taking place at a time when staff failed to get to grips with the concept of paedophilia.

"It was considered so far beyond the pale that people didn't believe it happened," he said during the 5 Live Breakfast Show.

And he said the problems with failing to call Savile to account went well beyond the BBC.

He questioned why newspapers had not acted when he said a tabloid reporter had boasted that his colleagues were aware of a story linking Savile to "necrophilia".

Campbell pointed out: "That particularly lurid accusation that you have just brought to people's attention is one that has not been in the public domain."


Gambaccini said the problems with failing to call Savile to account went well beyond the BBC
Gambaccini agreed and asked "why not?". And he asked: "Who vetted the knighthood? Coco the clown?"

He said the entire society was taken in by Savile - "including the Prime Minister who invited him to Chequers; including the royal family, photographed with him, he got a knighthood in this country, he got a papal knighthood.

"This is not just the BBC this is history, this is a man who conned an entire society," Gambaccini added.

It came as the BBC Director General George Entwistle was accused by MPs of failing to "get a grip" and compared to James Murdoch during a stormy select committee session in the wake of the Savile sex abuse allegations.




FROM: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2...aul-gambaccini-sex_n_2004924.html
Angryhead

steveio wrote:
Just a few rambling thoughts here. I'm just confused as to why the powers that be have allowed this info to become mainstream. It could potentially lead to much more higher 'ups' to be implicated. So, why have they?..

So far, even the main stream media acknowledge that, royalty, senior politicians, senior media and all the other plebs have been associated with him. Some are said to be complicit.. and this in the MSM.. what is going on?

These are unreal times for me at the moment, what with the Hillsborough disclosures  and today the miners strike disclosures.. what the feck is going on?



Hi, dude. Interestingly enough, Judex and others have been discussing this very theme (if you're interested?):
http://alteredge.myfreeforum.org/about1105.html

Yep, steveio. It's something that's crossed my mind too. I wish I could come up with a convincing and conclusive enough answer, but, I can't.
With regards to Savile, all I can offer in terms of an answer from my own perspective at this point, is that there is definitely a lot of 'steering' as to what has - and what hasn't - been reported in the mainstream media. How did it come to all this? Why did it come to all this?... I don't know, but, I am certain that the allegations and all the revelations of the past few weeks are based on a reality that was being discussed and revealed by the 'Alternative scene' dating back over a decade (including the involvement of politicians and other 'high ups'). I've no personal doubt that - despite any 'steering' - the dark, twisted goings-on of those in the 'higher levels' of society and The Establishment is very real.




Okay... I've got some more (new) posts regarding Savile and Jersey's Haute de la Garenne home. Below is a reminder of an old post (for those who might need it)...


Angryhead wrote:

Yes… Slowly, but surely, stories that have been covered by 'Alt' researchers regarding Satanic rituals among the "Elite" and the involvement of children in some shape or form over the years, are merging into these Savile allegations. The latest case in point is the Jersey home, Haute de la Garenne.

UNI… yes… I’ve seen ‘Sun, Sea & Satan.’ It’s hard-hitting, shocking (although not surprising), thought-provoking and emotional (I’ll admit, I shed a tear or two watching this). It also goes some way to showing solid evidence of all the nasty things we so-called “die hards” have heard or read about in our years of research regarding the “Elites” and their dark practises. When you watch the documentary, you’ll see what I mean.
For the sake of any one unaware of the details, it concentrates on the former childrens’ home / hostel in Jersey, Haute de la Garenne where allegations of child abuse - and possibly murder - were made. The man initially in charge of the police investigation into this, Lenny Harper, ordered an excavation of the site and bones were found…

Some background (from ‘Wikipedia‘)…

Jersey child abuse investigation 2008
A wide-ranging government investigation into child abuse had begun in 2006, and escalated into a States of Jersey Police investigation in 2007 during which witness evidence repeatedly indicated Haut de la Garenne, which housed up to 60 children at any one time, to be one of the places where abuse took place.
There was widespread media coverage as forensic teams conducted searches in the building between the end of February 2008 and July 2008.

By the end of the excavations and investigations at Haut de la Garenne in July 2008, police had sifted over 150 tonnes of earth. 65 human milk teeth were found, coming from between 10 to 65 individuals aged between 6–12 years and generally seeming to have been shed naturally. Discounting a large quantity of animal bones, only three bone fragments (the largest 25 mm = 1 inch long) were identified as possibly human; two of them have been dated to a range from 1470 to 1650 and the other 1650 to 1950.

In September 2008, Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell of Lancashire Police took over as Senior Investigating Officer in the abuse enquiry. In August 2008 David Warcup, Deputy Chief Constable of Northumbria Police, took over as Deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police. The new team launched a review of the investigation to date.
In November 2008, the Deputy Chief Officer, David Warcup, expressed "much regret" that misleading information had been released throughout the conduct of the enquiry, although this has been bitterly contested. Warcup stated that there was "no evidence" of any child murders at Haut de la Garenne, although the Sunday Times and other media have pointed out that the original investigation had also made this point, nor was there any indication that bodies may have been destroyed at the property. He said that initial reports of blood spots, secret underground chambers, mysterious pits, and metal restraint shackles, were all innocuous or misidentified.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_child_abuse_investigation_2008



Here’s the documentary.
I think it’s perhaps best to watch this first before reading the info further down the post(?)

Sun Sea & Satan FULL DOCUMENTARY
A hard-hitting emotionally charged 60 min documentary by Bill Maloney (Award winning independent film director) who's family were all brought up in the UK care system.

It covers Maloney's visit and interpretation of Jersey, Channel Islands, following the ongoing child abuse investigations of the children's care home 'Haut de la Garenne'. It highlights connections with the Sea Cadets and children being brought from London care homes for 'sailing holidays' on the Island.

Due to his and his family's experiences of Establishment care homes Maloney felt compelled to see first hand the response of Islanders to the alleged abuse claims and their general feeling for the Governing States. A mixed response of silence, anger and insensitivity is catalogued from this island of geographical beauty with an ugly underbelly. The film includes mainstream news reports with Jeremy Paxman, Stuart Syvret, Lenny Harper, Esther Rantzen and Frank Walker.

It is the opinion of Bill Maloney that if a child was required - Haut de la Garenne was the venue; if an adult was required - St Saviours Mental Hospital was the venue.

JERSEY IS NOT PART OF THE UK, IT IS OWNED BY THE CROWN.


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As the documentary reports, both Lenny Harper and his boss, Graham Power (Chief Officer of the States of Jersey) were later “retired” and put out to pasture. The case was then taken over by others.
Harper has since hit back at critics who - he says - have attempted to smear his name and reputation in the mainstream press. In a blog article, he mentions specific people who he claims are guilty of this. They include, Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell (who took over as senior investigating officer), David Warcup (who took on the role of Deputy Chief Officer of the States in the shake-up), and Diane Simon - journalist of the ‘Jersey Evening Post.’

Here’s Harper’s post from the Stuart Syvret blog:

I have been away from Scotland for the past two weeks and have therefore missed the intellectually challenged journalistic nonsense from Diane Simon of the JEP, including the interview with Supercop Mick Gradwell. My thanks to those who have updated me.

I began counting the inaccuracies and downright falsehoods but gave up there were so many of them. Mick Gradwell said in a letter a few months back to a Daily Mail journalist that “the best I can say about Mr. Harper is that he is a man who has difficulty in understanding basic facts”. But it seems to me that he and Diane Simon cannot recognise facts even when they are laid out in front of them several times. I will return to Mr. Gradwell later when I yet again make clear how ludicrous and dishonest some of the assertions made by various people are, including his rather nasty and juvenile attack on some senior staff of the States of Jersey Police (SOJP). First however, and I am sure all the readers of this blog will understand, I need to defend myself against some of the personal attacks made on me by Messrs Gradwell, Warcup, Simon - and a few others who have reasons to see the Abuse enquiry fold.

When the e-mail from Ms. Simon slithered under my virus defence my initial instinct was to delete it and ignore it. There were a number of reasons for this. Firstly, she had asked me all these questions on at least two previous occasions, one of them a sunny Saturday at Haut de la Garenne. On each occasion I had not only answered the questions, but I had also e-mailed the answers to her, such was my mistrust of the way the answers would be used. Presumably, she still had those e-mails.
Her plea in the e-mail for me to answer the questions so that she could “tell all sides of the story” was as sincere and believable as the “Trusssst in me” uttered by Kaa the snake in Disney’s version of the Jungle Book. Ms. Simon must be the only person she knows who believes that this type of ingratiating fawning is not totally transparent.

Notwithstanding my absolute belief that the seeking of my views was a total sham, I realised that it would be better not to give her the opportunity to claim that she had sought my views and I had refused. I therefore answered all her questions which meant of course that she just had to ignore most of what I said. To ensure that I did get my point across to the majority on the island who actually wanted the truth, I copied my response to Stuart Syvret and he posted it on his blog.

Ms. Simon and officers Warcup and Gradwell seem to be saying that I became a really bad cop “overnight.” (I will explain why I say ‘overnight’ below.) Ms. Simon is a journalist of course and is at a disadvantage, but her view of me as a cop seems to be only slightly better than my view of her as a journalist. Each is entitled to their opinion, even if it is from a distance. However, the claims from Mr. Warcup and Mr. Gradwell need closer examination and perhaps a more detailed dismantling.

I do not know a lot about Mr. Warcup or the now retired Mr. Gradwell. I do not know the extent of Mr. Warcup’s practical experience; whether he spent his career at the sharp end as I did, or whether all his years with Northumbria Police were spent in departments like Personnel.
However, I do know that he has admitted destroying evidence in the abuse case - which perhaps does give some clue as to his motivation or professional judgement.

As for Mr. Gradwell, again I do not know a lot about him.
I cannot speak for him, only myself. I know that I have a number of commendations for “detective ability,” leadership, and other professional skills earned in the investigation of many murders including terrorist murders, gang murders, stabbing murders with multi victims, domestic murders, and huge experience gained in South London in the investigation of Rapes and Child Abuse.

I hope this does not seem like some sort of Lenny Harper ego trip, but when people like Mr. Gradwell, Mr. Warcup, and Ms. Simon, criticise my ability, I cannot help but refer to others who have expressed a contrary view. Over the past few years I have worked with and for some of the most respected senior police officers in the UK.
I have worked with, and for, some of the most respected and professional police officers in the UK. A number of them have carried out assessments on my performance and ability. Again, apologies for what seems almost self congratulation, but among them Sir William Rae (former Chief Constable of Strathclyde) said in 2002, just before my move to Jersey, that I was currently “serving with distinction.” He went on to say the following.

“Superintendent Harper is an intelligent and articulate officer who is performing his current duties to an extremely high level. Since transferring to Strathclyde Police he has shown himself to be a dedicated and highly responsible team player who maintains a consistently professional approach to his duties at all times. The excellence he has shown since joining Strathclyde Police was mirrored during his time with the Metropolitan Police. In April 1989 when stationed at Peckham his Divisional Commander stated that in his role as Detective Inspector he was ‘one of the most effective I have ever known.’ Praise such as this has followed Superintendent Harper throughout his career and for good reason. A modest individual, he has received five commendations, all relating to the investigation of serious crime including one relating to the arrest and conviction of two INLA terrorists.”

Sir William went on to say that my appraisals in Strathclyde had been of an extremely high standard with senior managers universally praising my diligence and abilities at both the operational and strategic levels. He attached copies of my last three staff appraisals which had been written by two senior officers who are now both Chief Constables in Scotland.

Against that backdrop of unimpeachable professional commendation, the trinity of Simon, Warcup, and Gradwell have made it their mission in life to tell as many people as possible how unprofessional and incapable (and even worse) I am. All this on very little knowledge of me, and bolstered by, to borrow Ms. Simon’s words, “lies and half truths.” She would certainly know about lies and half truths, wouldn’t she? With such a volume of informed and respected professional opinion to the contrary, no thinking person would prefer to believe the nonsense, of Simon, Gradwell & Warcup. So am I bothered?

No.

Now let me turn to the actual substance (an ill chosen word to describe what was in these pieces of journalistic rubbish) of Ms. Simon’s articles. I will start with the interview with Mr. Gradwell. I do feel rather weary at this point as I have made all these points before to Simon and others. At least this time however, I am making them to people who will have the ability and willingness to assimilate them.

The attention seeking headline in the Gradwell article was that the operation at Haut de la Garenne was “a waste of time and money.” According to Mr. Gradwell, as reported in the JEP, the decision to excavate was made without hard evidence or intelligence. Up until then, he said, the enquiry was being run “essentially along UK lines.” Okay – if I understand him then, we were doing OK until we decided to excavate HDLG. It follows then that he would not have done so. He would have ignored all that we found and walked away. Here again are the (much repeated) reasons why we excavated - in chronological sequence.

By the closing weeks of 2007, we had been carrying out the enquiry for some time. A recurring feature of the evidence and information gathering process as we moved into January 2008 was that a number of victims and witnesses had told us they had been assaulted and abused at the former home. There was evidence from one witness that a child had been chased by a member of staff through an upper floor corridor and in desperation had leapt out of a high window. The child had not been seen again. At that stage we had no name. (Mr. Gradwell was to say that over a year later he traced the child – perhaps he did. However at that time we had what we had.) We had non-specific information from a number of witnesses that they had witnessed children being dragged away at night and not being seen again. There was intelligence of illegal forced abortion and of a still born child.

I found all of this highly alarming and worrying but I did not consider at that stage that it warranted a full excavation of HDLG. (This is an important point, because after speaking to Gradwell and Warcup, the Met Police accused me of ordering the excavation on the evidence of a few “disturbed” people. I took issue with this description of the victims and made this clear in a number of e-mails to those concerned.) Mr. Gradwell confirms my suspicion about the origin of this slur on the survivors by his comments to Diane Simon. He and David Warcup at their infamous and discredited press conference last year also peddled this myth about the reasons for digging. The truth is simple to illustrate, because it is well documented.

I arranged to go to the UK to meet experts who would be well qualified to advise us on the way forward. On 5th February 2008, I went to Oxford with our Forensic Services Manager and other staff, and at the Headquarters of LGC Forensics met with Karl Harrison, their lead scientist, National Policing Improvement Agency Homicide Search Advisors, and forensic staff representing Forensic Archaeology and Anthropology, as well as a Cadaver Dog Advisor. We had already asked Mr. Harrison to prepare a desk based study brief of HDLG and he circulated this at the meeting.

The decision made at this meeting was that we should carry out an initial reconnaissance of the site over a short period to seek to clarify a number of objectives. It was decided that we would deploy several different assets, to be deployed in a “systematic fashion using best value and best practice guidelines.” In simple terms, we wanted to establish if there was anything there which would need further investigation - or if we could “walk away” from it -without further investigation.

Two weeks later we moved in to the grounds of HDLG. We deployed Geophysical assets and Ground Penetrating Radar in order to identify anomalous areas for further investigation. We also used Gridded probing techniques to assist the dogs, and of course we had the anecdotal evidence of witnesses and victims. We decided we would not at any time carry out speculative searching but would deploy the forensic and archaeology assets in areas where there was corroboration that something needed further investigation. Before we excavated, we would give full consideration to possible explanations given by earlier work or utilities. We also studied in depth building plans and maps. It was during this process that builders who had worked on the site told us that a few years before they had found bones they were convinced were human but had been told to ‘forget them’ and “let bygones be bygones.” (This phrase became a catchword among my team whenever the subject of attempts at cover up would arise.) One worker was so convinced they were human he took them home to examine them against computer images which only strengthened his fears. (Eventually these bones were examined by a Jersey Pathologist after police had called her to the home. She told the officer “I don’t like the look of this,” but was later to say she could not remember making that comment. She was “not saying it wasn’t made, but just couldn’t remember it.” She took the bones to her boss whose extremely short (five lines) report said the bones were too large to be human but also stated that one of the bones “could not be identified.” He gave the measurements of the bones and our anthropologist took issue with his findings saying that the size of the bone concerned was within the size range of a child. Unfortunately the bones were destroyed by the pathologist without being examined by an anthropologist. Our advice was that they should have been so examined as the pathologist was not qualified to rule on whether or not they were human. The builders told us that they had found two child’s shoes with the bones. The pathologist told us that he had sent them for examination and had been told they were Victorian. The person he said he sent them to remembered no such incident. Unfortunately the shoes too had been destroyed and were unavailable to us.

At the same time as we were digesting this deeply puzzling sequence of events, we received a positive reaction from the dog trained to find traces of human remains. This reaction came at the same spot as the builders had found the bones mentioned above. At this point, I took the decision to authorise the archaeologists to dig at that location. I would do the same again. It beggars belief, and I am at a loss to imagine why, Mr. Gradwell and David Warcup should say they would have taken a different decision. To me that would be gross negligence. My decision was fully endorsed by the ACPO team who were mentoring us and this team included the former head of the Met Homicide Department and a vastly experienced Senior Investigating Officer. It was also unanimously supported by all of my senior team including the UK Homicide Search Advisors. The dig was necessary because there were matters which needed further investigation. Indeed, the advice of the ACPO Homicide Team was that we had no choice but to treat the scene as one of a potential homicide. This advice was expressed frequently, and I know it was given to Frank Walker.

I will deal in more detail later with the charred bones found in the cellar areas, but for now will concentrate on the reasons for excavating that area. We had evidence from victims who said they were confined and/or abused in what they described as cellar areas. We could not find them until a local builder who had worked at the area came forward and said he knew where the entrance to these ‘cellars’ were. He showed us and we were eventually able to uncover them. Before excavating further we put the dogs into the area. As we did so, the Chief of Police arrived with the Home Affairs Minister, Wendy Kinnard. They were actually present when the dogs reacted strongly in the cellar and where we were then to find the charred bones and teeth. So, the question is obvious when one thinks that Mr. Gradwell is still claiming that we should not have searched HDLG. At what point should we have walked away? Should we have not started at all - and therefore not found anything – and left the remains (because that is what they are) where they were? Should we have stopped at the wing where the dog initially reacted and, instead, ignored all we knew about the bones found by the builders? Or should we have ignored the dog’s possible corroboration of the victims in the cellar area?

Messrs Gradwell and Warcup said there was no evidence of murder and that my team was wrong to say there was. They are not telling the truth, deliberately or otherwise - because I had never said there was evidence of murder - only evidence that there was something that needed investigation. A subtle, but crucial, distinction which people could be forgiven for not understanding, given the utter nonsense that’s been peddled recently. There are many, many examples of what I did, actually, say, to be found still. Check the BBC News website on 31st July 2008. Read David James Smith’s excellent article in the Sunday Times. (Reproduced in Stuart Syvret’s blog on Sunday, 10th May, 2009). They all state - clearly and unequivocally - that I was saying ‘we did not have evidence of murder’. Why would Ms. Simon and the two senior cops say otherwise? I and many others know why. However, we still do not know how, where, or when those children died and probably never will. We think we know how the bones ended up where we found them, and that was expertly laid out by Karl Harrison in his Archaeological Theory of the Burnt Debris including Human Bone Fragments and teeth found in the East wing. His view was that the Solid Fuel Furnace in the West Wing was used to dispose of human remains and they were then transferred to the East Wing around 1960-1970. We included his report in the document we posted on our website. Strangely enough when the Sunday Times journalist David James Smith attempted to access this document it had been removed under Warcup’s leadership. David James Smith was told by the Press Officer that there had been a problem with the computer. Of course there was! In any event, I reproduce a quote from the report by Karl Harrison below. You might ask the question that if an independent expert such as Karl Harrison is giving us this information, what kind of police officers would we have been to walk away and ignore it? As I say, it beggars belief. Unless your name is Diane Simon, David Warcup, or Gradwell that is.

Here is a quote from the report by Karl Harrison:

“With regard to the human remains recovered from cellars 3,4 & five. Karl Harrison, LGC Forensics lead archaeologist explains :

Detailed archaeological analysis of the building and its structure, in conjunction with archive plans, has provided time lines for historical renovations within the building. Phase I – area above the cellars is a School Room - Victorian styli and slates are dumped in large quantities on the cellar floor. These are in such quantities that it would suggest the floors were being taken up when they were deposited. Although they are mixed throughout the cellar deposits, many slates are lying on the base of the earthen floor, suggesting an early fall. A number of dateable Phase I items (Victorian coinage, Napoleon III coin, Victorian Jubilee medal) have been found in close association with this material.

Phase II/III - At the extension of the building following the major works over the bathhouse directly south of the School Room, educational activities move southwards to our Press Room (as was). The School Room becomes a Play Room in the early 20th C. This would explain the lack of pen nibs such as those in the cisterns entering the record here.

With the exception of a few coins of the period, native Phase II/III material seems to be in short supply. Instead we seem to have imported material - masses of shoe leather and heel irons relate to the shoemakers that functioned through the 20s and 30s, along with buttons and thimbles from the neighbouring dressmakers room. This is closely associated with concentrations of kitchen waste (bottle glass, jar glass, plain domestic ware, patterned ware and charnel), which seems contemporaneous based on design and scraps of printed labels remaining.

All of this is mixed with two distinct non-native soils - a virgin 'potato' soil which provides much of the compressed material, and a concentration of charred material - coke, clinker and some charcoal (in very small fragments) - whilst the charred material is associated with smoke stained masonry, none of the goods in the cellar have been burned (as opposed to cooked in the case of animal bone) - other than some of the bone fragments.

Phase IV - Phase IV is characterised by sweeping, evidenced by changes in texture of the cellar fills and the presence of large numbers of plastic bristles and brush head fragments stuck through lower elements of the contexts. In terms of depositions in phase IV, these are (with the exception of a single coin) native in character - the room above the cellars remains a Play Room, and we have a profusion of glass marbles, toy soldiers, play money, farmyard animal figures)

Phase V - Access is gained through the floor by hatch cutting for the 2003 refurbishment - some of the outlying bone and teeth fragments perhaps owe their position to cable laying. What I now think has happened is that a mass of material has been imported from the west wing at a time when the floor of the Play Room was up. This would explain the mix of material from north to south along the wing (glass and ceramic from kitchen larders, leather goods from the shoemakers, buttons from the tailors and high-temperature char from the bake house foundations) These renovations to the west wing have been carried out since 1960 (the brush bristles relate to sweeping of floor surface elsewhere and have been incorporated into the fill elsewhere, rather than someone bothering to sweep a cellar's earthen floor) - they have involved cleaning, but also significant digging into underlying soil (we have small concentrations of Phase II/III pot sewer pipe, as well as the mass of potato soil). Whilst some of the material might have been taken off site, some has been ditched in barrow and bucket loads on the cellar floor, hence the complex lensing of charred and virgin soils, especially along the footing trenches.”

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Fairly significant is it not? Yet, we should not have been in there according to Gradwell, Warcup and Simon. We should have walked away and left the remains there. It was, supposedly, all a waste of time and money, not to mention professionally inept. We may not have found the answers but I am in no doubt that we had to ask the questions. That is what we were police officers for.



Full blog post here:
http://stuartsyvret.blogspot.co.u...-harper-witness-for-historic.html



And whilst on the subject of Haute de la Garenne, Harper talks about it and the recent mainstream reports regarding Savile and his links to the home…

Taken from ‘The Express’ (October 9th 2012)…

'NO REASON TO DOUBT' JIMMY SAVILE WAS INVOLVED IN JERSEY CHILDREN'S HOME SCANDAL
THE former head of the Haut de la Garenne child abuse investigation has implicated Jimmy Savile in the scandal.
Lenny Harper revealed he now has "no reason to doubt' that Savile indecently assaulted girls at the Jersey children's home, which was subject to an intense police investigation following allegations of past child abuse.

The States of Jersey police detective who led the three-year child abuse probe, revealed that Savile's name came up in the initial police inquiry four years ago, but there was not enough evidence at the time.

Mr Harper, who has since retired from the force, added: "There definitely wasn't enough even to question him at the time, but in light of all the evidence that has come out then I'm not surprised because it fits perfectly the profile of what was going on."

Police on the island confirmed last week that Savile was investigated as part of the 2008 inquiry into abuse at the children's home, following claims from a former Haut de la Garenne resident that the Jim'll Fix It star was involved in an indecent assault in the 1970s.

A solicitor who acted for victims also told the Guardian that some former Haut de la Garenne residents, both women and men, now claim they were assaulted by Savile in the 1970s.

Alan Collins, a solicitor for several Haut de la Garenne victims, said 'a handful' of former residents have now made abuse allegations regarding Savile.

The BBC entertainer, who died last year aged 84, was never charged with any abuse offences.



Full story here:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/vi...in-Jersey-children-s-home-scandal







Well... the former Senior Investigating Officer of the Haute de la Garenne case, Lenny Harper, has recently been interviewed regarding the home, Jersey, the BBC, and Savile. It's 'Part 1' (of which 'Part 2' is yet to come apparently).

It's taken from the blog, 'Voice for Children' (October 22nd 2012)...

Jimmy Savile, Jersey, BBC and suspects. (Part 1)
Former Deputy Chief Police Officer and Senior Investigating Officer of Jersey's Child Abuse Investigation, Lenny Harper, speaks to VFC about Jimmy Savile, the Jersey government, judicial system, Police Force and perhaps most importantly suspects in the Child Abuse Investigation STILL employed by the States of Jersey who have never faced justice. Not only are these suspects employed by the States but their position allegedly allows them alarming access to children and vulnerable adults.

Yesterday Mr. Harper was permitted a short interview on BBC State Radio which left a number of listeners with the belief that Mr. Harper was levelling criticism towards the States of Jersey Police by suggesting an independent Police Force should be recruited to investigate the Jimmy Savile case in Jersey.

Not for the first time the BBC had given those listeners the complete wrong impression, as Mr. Harper explains in part one of this in-depth interview, he has nothing but the upmost respect for the SOJP, as a force, and believes the problems lay with the island's "political masters" so we are happy to undo any damage that might have been caused to the reputation of the SOJP by the BBC.

Mr. Harper, in this interview, gives us a chilling account of an alleged suspect in the Child Abuse Inquiry where around a dozen  victims have given a statement against the person, who Mr. Harper tells us, just the mention of his name causes "Absolute Fear"  amongst victims but still remains in a position to harm others.

The Former Senior Investigating Officer goes on to tell us that, in his opinion, "The Victims are the ones who are being targeted by the Jersey Government and the abusers are the ones who are being protected."

What is the real BIG story here, is it that Jimmy Savile abused children in Jersey, or is it that the government allowed, and possibly still allows paedophilia to go unpunished if one has the right connections? Will Jimmy Savile's victims ever get justice? Let's hope so, but what about those who have been abused by the alleged "protected" in Jersey who are still alive and a danger to children, shouldn't our attention be turned to them before it's too late, and those accused never see the inside of a court room?

The BBC appear's to believe the BIG story is that Mr. Harper has suggested an outside Police Force be called in to investigate the Savile allegations but more about that, the BBC's agenda, misinformation and much, much more in part two.



More here:
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot....vile-jersey-bbc-and-suspects.html


Jimmy Savile, Jersey, BBC and suspects part 1 (of 2)

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JAY

steveio wrote:
Just a few rambling thoughts here. I'm just confused as to why the powers that be have allowed this info to become mainstream. It could potentially lead to much more higher 'ups' to be implicated. So, why have they?..

So far, even the main stream media acknowledge that, royalty, senior politicians, senior media and all the other plebs have been associated with him. Some are said to be complicit.. and this in the MSM.. what is going on?

These are unreal times for me at the moment, what with the Hillsborough disclosures  and today the miners strike disclosures.. what the feck is going on?



IMO

In order to [seemingly] create a new house,
the old house has to be [perceived to be] completely pulled down...

(perception, perception, perception)

Reset [I believe is the 'desired' perception]

(perception...)

The media [PTB memo board / the masse's perception installation device] will be complicit in this - just as they have been complicit in everything beforehand.

I don't think the BBC is long for this world (due to be rebranded)

'Lessons have been learnt' (you know the drill...)

Twisted Evil
Carlisa

JAY wrote:
steveio wrote:
Just a few rambling thoughts here. I'm just confused as to why the powers that be have allowed this info to become mainstream. It could potentially lead to much more higher 'ups' to be implicated. So, why have they?..

So far, even the main stream media acknowledge that, royalty, senior politicians, senior media and all the other plebs have been associated with him. Some are said to be complicit.. and this in the MSM.. what is going on?

These are unreal times for me at the moment, what with the Hillsborough disclosures  and today the miners strike disclosures.. what the feck is going on?



IMO

In order to [seemingly] create a new house,
the old house has to be [perceived to be] completely pulled down...

(perception, perception, perception)

Reset [I believe is the 'desired' perception]

(perception...)

The media [PTB memo board / the masse's perception installation device] will be complicit in this - just as they have been complicit in everything beforehand.

I don't think the BBC is long for this world (due to be rebranded)

'Lessons have been learnt' (you know the drill...)

Twisted Evil




Jay


'SPOT ON', I was in the middle of a sizeable post to intimate precisely this, but it's not only BBC that are getting a new branding, it's "INSTITUTIONS" plural. they are all seemingly set to be brought down put through the cosmetics department and heavily plastered like a make up rep in Debenhams.

What with Gary Mckinnon winning his appeal
The football association getting tough on football bigotry
The Hillsborough affair
The Churchs abuses
Saville
and so on


Jays post again!


""IMO

In order to [seemingly] create a new house,
the old house has to be [perceived to be] completely pulled down...

(perception, perception, perception)

Reset [I believe is the 'desired' perception]

(perception...)

The media [PTB memo board / the masse's perception installation device] will be complicit in this - just as they have been complicit in everything beforehand.

I don't think the BBC is long for this world (due to be rebranded)

'Lessons have been learnt' (you know the drill...)

Twisted Evil ""end quote

Smilie_PDT

Edit-  Removed a curse word! Embarassed
Carlisa

Get this video watched,, I implore you!!  Another Pie n Mash documentary, a little more harrowing than the haute de la Garenne documentary(so tissues at the ready, it got me so it did) but as is the Bill Maloney signature he does seem to project a little hope!  

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IMHO, and I have been in the mix myself, on the receiving end and employed on the fringe of the care services, these institutions are as much subterfuge as a lot of religion was/is until this point.  These so-called state corporate institutions are so much more than big wigs leaching on the economy by charging as much as £250,000 per inmate per annum or for certain sick fucks to get their jollies torturing or for buggering vulnerable or “disaffected” young peoples “kids” or even old age pensioners for that matter, yep so much more.  Come on they still bandy the word reform and change(as they have been for centuries) like it means something, yeh it means something alright, it means they have found another way (maybe a better way) to screw you(reform into what?).  We are getting screwed in every way imaginable, where there is a shit load of money to be made there will never be a cure or an end only a means to an end(their end).  But for the real fat cats at the helm it’s so much more than the pleasure of the monetary gain or the gratification of dominating others, all what we see in the past and we experience today are stalling tactics, the sociopaths that are created in these institutions are creating fear and leave a trail of victims behind them in more ways than one.  These tactics of every institution failing is 100 per cent by design and anybody within the institutions know or feel something is amiss.  The net is closing, the feckers are playing their last cards, their hitting us with a bit of truth, they throw in a few scape goats no time to lick your pause, don’t suspend your uproars don’t let them meter out the script or you will get the ending you deserve.

Subversion of the highest-  It is beyond doubt that if we people of the majority suspend our differences and came together on any one issue (especially this one) which is one of many of the links or cogs of the machine(and they are that ‘puppets’ no will of their own) put in place to break the cohesion of the majority to prevent exactly what am proposing one people sharing a common cause to wrestle the wheel from the dangerous fuckers whom are drunk on power and are driving us straight to hell, no joke.  Stop anaesthetizing, stop running away, stand tall look around and believe that if we tackle any one of these big institutions properly in an open manner(we the people not the damage limitations department), we would be bringing the darkness into the light, only in the light will the darkness fall!

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Other responses-

Jac quote-  “Hey Carlisa, I was posting tongue in cheek although I understand the context is hard to decipher on a forum..”

Hence the jester smiley at the beginning of accusatory fingers quote, Smilie_PDT  Jac I peppered my top with baguette crumbs when I read your post “Well, it’s not me…” end quote Very Happy  

Uni- “I like to see the BBC get its Karma!” end quote

Kind of almost puts a lump in my throat reading that when taken in the context that I am out here with a lot of retired expats(whom call me friend?) whom have BBC intravenously drip fed to them and like all tranquiliser addicts, snarl, lie and cheat to me or call me naïve for suggesting they have ulterior motives(the tv programmers) when it comes to debating/defending that very addiction with me.  They are now forced out of their comfort zone, fingers in the ears, “la la la la la lala I CAN’T HEAR YOU”, WHAT TIMES STRICHNINE BOREROOM ON?”.  

Mr Mopple -  look past the youtube posters commentary and even with naïve objectivity you may see there is something sinister here?

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Whilst in foetal and during the infancy the reptilian brain is thought to be the dominant and its initial interaction is only with the right  hemisphere of the neocortex this is the world of creation and imagination and surrealism thus the objective, critical thinking is absent.  This period is when you are most suggestible, the most en-tranced(almost like dream state), any person can take advantage by imparting colour, symbol, picture and audio association with an agenda into your sub conscience.  Children’s television, music, books does that(not all bad), but what you can’t see or hear as an adult with your dogma or filters in the way does not mean it’s not there and that youngsters are not seeing, hearing or feeling it different from you.  If someone chooses they can get a child to associate say a colour with certain emotions  fear or anger is an easy = Red(Red Alert), daft I know but you may scoff that without the words the colour alone can illicit what you might deem as involuntary responses that the logical side of your brain may hardly ever fathom.  The possibilities with this ability at hand are infinite and in the wrong hands can and do rob people of free will with external influence pulling the strings.  Too big a subject to broach here!

‘The Sun, Sea and Satan documentary’-  Unbelievable one person with the gumption to answer questions and damn ‘Haute de La Garenne’, a woman pushing a pram brave enough to voice her vitriol against an evil establishment, others preferred to flag wave(unless they are hiding more sinister reasons) deflecting by saying “the problem is not just in Jersey and its global) or just a stone wall.  That it is “GLOBAL” and through almost every elite run institution!!!

MI5-  Yeh BBC having to admit that they utilised MI5 to not just background check employees but continue to update and evaluate them throughout their career, unbelievable that MI5 did not unearth the monstrous paedophile ring(mmmmm).  They say they used them to stamp out subverters, you know commies and the like, would appear to be an absolute crock as BBC nowadays try to skirt the issue that the UK are on the edge of being a commie come national socialist nation now.  Any hoot the BBC are the biggest mindfeck subverters going.  They set the norms by brainwashing the masses and soon after they impart that norm they replace it with another, i.e. teaching one day how to be a good housewife then on come the soaps to teach them how to bed hop, or telling us a bit of dirt and bacteria is good for us and then next we should carry anti-bacterial handwash at all times and wear a boiler suit whilst having sex and all the while taking Tamiflu like it was going out of fashion as indeed it did.  So, my point here is that if the commie/subverter risk is a red herring the only other reasonable explanation for investigating staff is to dig up dirt on them to be used as leverage to exert total control over them for whatever nefarious reasons?  

The European Court of Human Rights ruled that MI5 surveillance of the pro-paedophile lobbyists Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt during the pair’s tenure at Liberty breached the European Convention on Human Rights.  

Feck James Bond “License to kill”- that there is a permit for anybody carrying that permit to use whatever means that is necessary in Service to the crown, like I don’t know,, like the Omagh bombing the intelligence knew it were going to happen, yeh “license to kill” means children too but not just kill,, ‘rape and torture is on the menu towards kids in the pursuit to “Protect and serve the Crown”, I can’t believe the romantic notions people buy into!

If it’s puppet justice(theatre) you seek then fill your boots, but it aint never gonna change things anyhow, never has, never will!


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Secrets are a disease, no matter what excuse is bandied, when they say it’s for the peoples own good it generally means someone is getting screwed one way or the other!
Angryhead

Just been alerted to the following development... interesting times...

taken from 'Huffington Post' (October 24th 2012)...

Tom Watson Links Unnamed Former Prime Minister To Paedophile Ring
An unnamed former British Prime Minister has been linked to a "powerful paedophile ring" following a bombshell question during PMQs.

Tom Watson, who became a household name after his dogged pursuit of News International over phone hacking, threw a curveball at David Cameron during the session on Wednesday.

The West Bromwich MP asked a hushed house: "The evidence file used to convict paedophile Peter Righton, if it still exists, contains clear evidence of a widespread paedophile ring.

"One of its members boasts of his links to a senior aide of a former prime minister who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad."

At this point cameras covering PMQs cut to David Cameron who was sitting forward in his chair, clutching his binder and looking extremely serious.

Watson continued: "The leads were not followed up, but if the files still exists I want to ensure that the Metropolitan Police secure the evidence, re-examine it and investigate clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and Number 10."

There was an uncomfortable silence in the chamber before the current PM took to his feet.

Cameron said: "The honourable gentleman raises a very difficult and complex case and I'm not entirely sure which former PM he's referring to.

"What I'd like to do is look very carefully at Hansard about the allegations... and look very carefully to see what the government can do to help give him the assurances that he seeks."

A report from the Independent newspaper in September 1992 described the Righton case. It says:

'A LEADING expert in residential childcare was fined pounds 900 yesterday when he admitted importing and possessing illegal homosexual pornographic material.
Magistrates at Evesham, Worcestershire, heard that the material included copies of a recognised paedophile magazine and photographs of young boys under the age of 16 posing partly dressed or naked.

Peter Righton, 66, of Badsey Road, Evesham, admitted two illegal importation charges and one charge of possessing obscene material. He was ordered to pay pounds 75 costs and the magistrates ordered that the magazines should be destroyed.'



Read the full story here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2...7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D133719

And here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news...graphs-of-naked-boys-1551820.html



Tom Watson Breaks Silence On Parliamentary Pedophile Ring, House of Commons Goes Silent

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I'll have to check out this Tom Watson guy and his background. The fact that he was all out to put the pressure on 'News International' makes me oh so very slightly suspicious (I've always had the feeling that the entire 'Hack-gate' scandal was a ways and means of silencing the Press - and in particular - any one who reported on 'Alternative' news, thus protecting the so-called "elite" from investigation and criticism).
Angryhead

I have to say. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
When Cameron responded to Watson's claims in the House of Commons yesterday, he said, "lessons must be learnt from all this."
This is what they always say when something goes embarrasingly wrong, or when they're found out. The usual 'sweep it up under the carpet' / lip-service response.
Of course, this is 'double-speak' for, "we're not going to do anything about all this."

Any way... Here's some more regarding Tom Watson MP and his allegations. Taken from his own blog (October 24th 2012)...

A little more background on today’s PMQ’s
I cannot give much more detail until the police have been given more time to investigate whether evidence still exists from the mid-nineties, but here is what I can say.

Last week I was contacted by a former child protection specialist who for some years, had been concerned that a wider investigation regarding the activities of convicted paedophile, Peter Righton was not fully investigated.

He contacted me because he knew I had spoken out in the Murdoch scandal. Over the years, he had lost faith in the ability of politicians to get to the truth. The last time he contacted an MP was in 1994. The MP promised to follow up the case but nothing came of it.

The central allegation was that a large body of material seized in the raid on Righton’s home had not been fully investigated. Though Righton was the subject of a BBC profile in 1994 [I think this is the date] “The Secret Life of a Paedophile”, little had been done to follow up the leads from the case. A specialist unit in Scotland Yard had the material which supplemented a wider investigation into organised paedophile rings in children’s homes.

Over the last few days I have spoken to two other child protection specialists who share the concern of the gentleman who contacted me.

Within the material seized at Righton’s home were letters from known and convicted paedophiles. The contact, who has seen the letters, claimed that one paedophile in particular was of great concern. He said that the paedophile, who worked with children, boasted of a key aide to a former PM who could help get hold of indecent images of children. I am not naming the person for obvious reasons but for clarity it is not former MP, Peter Morrison. This afternoon my office has been bombarded with calls regarding Morrison, I think because he was named by Edwina Currie at the weekend as having inappropriate sexual relations with teenage boys.

I’ll say more when I can but this may not be for some time.

I should say that like with the hacking scandal, a number of people have contacted me this afternoon offering more information regarding the case. I am happy to talk to anyone who can help me – particularly those who came into contact with Righton and his contacts when they were young. I can understand how powerless they must have felt at the time – Righton’s net was cast wide.

One person also contacted me to suggest that the Met held a vast quantity of material suggesting Jimmy Savile was a predatory paedophile. I do not know whether this is true but I do know the source and she has been 100% accurate in the past.

One final thing I should say – I made the decision to ask a question of the PM late this morning and had not had time to write to the Met before speaking out. I have no doubt the Met will take this seriously and am sorry I didn’t have time to forewarn the commissioner of my intention to raise the matter.

I have written to him this afternoon with more details regarding the case. This will obviously remain confidential.

http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/



Soooo.... a Westminster MP suddenly finds enough back-bone to talk about something that's allegedly been rife for decades? Damage limitation maybe?
I remain cynical... but hopeful.


Talking of "cynical but hopeful," I managed to catch a quote off the TV-news this afternoon from Met Police Commander, Peter Spindler. He said, "... I also want to send a very clear message to any men in power or in influential positions today who actually think that they can abuse children in our society that we will come for you. There are men today who are offending in society and if they think they're gonna get away with their crimes, we may not come for them this decade, it may not be the next, but there is a limit to how long the victims will suffer in silence and when they're ready to speak out, we will be listening."

I'm a bit curious as to what he means by "we may not come for them this decade, it may not be the next..." ?

Any way, here's more about the police investigations (BBC News, October 25th 2012)...

Met Police Commander Peter Spindler described the police inquiry as a "watershed" moment in the investigation of child abuse. "We have to believe what they are saying because they are all saying the same thing independently," Cdr Spindler said. The police inquiry, Operation Yewtree, has identified 300 victims - up from 200 last week - and is looking at 400 lines of inquiry. All but two of the victims are female. Police were looking at three catergories of crime: Savile committing abuse on his own; Savile with others; and other people committing abuse. The type of crime ranged from inappropriate touching to rape, Cdr Spindler said.

A number of living people were under investigation but exact figures have yet to emerge.

Cdr Spindler said there was no evidence of a paedophile ring involving Savile. He described the offenders as "opportunist individuals".

But it is thought investigations are looking at those who may have assisted Savile, helped organise abuse, cover it up or taken part in assaults themselves.



Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20081021

The page also features the (video) interview with Spindler in which he makes the above statement. You can see it on the right-hand side of the page in a small screen. It's about ten minutes in length.


Also just came across this... don't know if it's fall-out from the Savile revelations...

BBC News (October 24th 2012)...

Actor charged with rape of teenage boy in London
A television actor has been charged with the rape of a teenage boy.

The actor, who has not been named, allegedly attacked the 14-year-old at a theatre in the London area.

He is also accused of three other sex attacks and an "assault by beating" at a London school, Scotland Yard said.

The actor will appear in court on 6 November.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20061001



Back to Savile. From 'MailOnline' (October 24th 2012)...

Now three doctors accused of abuse: Explosive new claims in Savile scandal from patients and a nurse at Stoke Mandeville
Detectives investigating Jimmy Savile have been passed the names of three doctors accused of molesting youngsters, it emerged last night
They abused children at the same hospitals where the late entertainer preyed on young and vulnerable patients, it can be revealed.
One victim told the Mail she was groped aged 12 by a Stoke Mandeville doctor who had a Jim'll Fix It picture on his wall.

Another woman, who named a separate doctor, is convinced there was a 'sex abuse ring' operating at the Buckinghamshire hospital.
There are now demands for a full independent inquiry into how Savile was given easy access to his victims at children's homes and NHS hospitals, as well as at the BBC. So far, no NHS trust has apologised for Savile – despite him being given the keys to Broadmoor, a bedroom room at Stoke Mandeville and free rein of Leeds General Infirmary.

One woman said her Stoke Mandeville doctor sexually abused her every fortnight for four years from the age of 14. She said: 'There is no doubt in my mind there was a sex abuse ring operating at Stoke Mandeville. It is no coincidence that this man was doing the same thing as Jimmy Savile.'
She said the doctor operated on her at the hospital after a burns accident, and she then attended his follow-up clinics at a separate hospital.
Now 52, she recalled: 'He called me his “special patient”. I had to go and see him once every fortnight for cortisone injections under the skin.' But the doctor insisted he needed to 'massage' the fluid into her body in her groin area, she said.
She reported it to her teachers and her mother but said no one took her allegations seriously. The doctor accused by the woman has since died.
A second woman told the Mail she was abused by a Stoke Mandeville consultant paediatrician called Dr Michael Salmon, at his clinic on another site. In 1990, Salmon was jailed for three years after admitting indecent assaults on two 13-year-old girls and a 16-year-old girl.
The woman told the Mail: 'I was so shocked but I didn't know what to do, and I never told anyone. But he had a Jim'll Fix It picture on his sideboard and he worked at Stoke Mandeville, so now I wonder if there was any connection with Savile.'
A third doctor has also been implicated in Leeds.



Full story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...ients-nurse-Stoke-Mandeville.html


Finally, a shocking interview from another alledged victim... Savile's great-niece...

BBC News (October 25th 2012)... It's an audio-interview...

Jimmy Savile's great-niece tells of abuse by presenter
BBC Radio 5 live's Victoria Derbyshire spoke to the presenter's great-niece who says she was abused by him when she was 12 years old. Now 49, Caroline Robinson describes being molested by Mr Savile in a room full of family members.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20081577#TWEET305698



By the way Carlisa... I totally get the 'Puppet Justice' message (very good!).
naf

Savile’s Can Of Worms: Did Labour Politicians Support EU Move To Legalise Paedophilia?
Harriet Harman, a member of War Criminal Tony Blair’s Government, was vocal in her belief, that the law concerning paedophilia should be relaxed, this relaxation would perhaps imply the imposition of an EU proposed law, which would legalize “Intergenerational Sex.” She is at the moment attempting to back-track on this position, as she back-tracked over the war against Iraq.
This change would complement the changes which have already been made to the UK law on Sedition and Treason, in order to shelter herself and the rest of the Blair Government, which was guilty of both, from prosecution.
A change in the law on child abuse, could be used to protect those members of the EU and Blair Cabinet whom were implicated in the Dunblane Massacre and of course those highly placed individuals whom abused Hollie Greig.
For whatever reason, the Jimmy Savile saga is turning into a veritable nightmare for the top brass at the BBC, whom are running around in circles trying to find an easy target, to which they can attach the blame. It is evident that it extends way beyond the BBC and we can only guess which highly place individuals are cowering in dark places, hoping to escape exposure.
Yet another famous BBC icon has come under the spotlight, having been implicated, along with Savile, in the Haut de la Garenne, Children’s Home in Jersey’s,  extensive abuse allegations. Wilfred Brambell, whom starred in Steptoe and Son as the title character, another creepy little chap in the Savile mode, with apparently many more to follow.
As with the Dunblane case, where young lads wearing hunting kilts were               ” loaned out” to members of Scottish Masonic Lodges..................

more here

http://enochered.wordpress.com/20...-eu-move-to-legalise-paedophilia/
Angryhead

Very skeptical about Tom Watson MP.

So... let me get this straight...

Taking into account all the dark, disturbing and sordid allegations surrounding politicians at Westminster, why is it - how is it - that Watson's been given the time and space to raise this issue in the House of Commons? And this ain't no irrelevant back-bencher either. He happens to be the Deputy Chair of the Labour Party (as appointed by Ed Miliband, no less), which means that he's in close proximity to the leadership and all that might entail? Furthermore (and - again - considering how deep this whole paedophilia issue is alleged to run within the entire 'Westminster Village') as far as I'm aware, questions to the Prime Minister must be tabled in advance (three days), although I might be wrong? Think what you will... but, would this have been allowed to happen?

Then - as I mentioned in a previous post - there's his links to the News International hacking 'scandal.' This is one more of those events that leaves me skeptical. Personally, I take the view that this was engineered to take freedoms away from the media - especially the 'Alternative' media which is the only section of journalism that asks real questions and delves deep into issues that can cause problems.
Either Tom Watson is a very brave man with principles to be proud of, or he's part of some elaborate distraction exercise. If the 'name' he's promising to reveal that harks back to No.10. just happens to be of a dead person (again), then would I be wrong to feel as though we've been led down the wrong road - a road that leads us away from the realities (and lets people off the hook - again)?

I really hope I'm wrong. I really do, but, I just can't grapple with the idea that an MP was allowed to make such statements in the House of Commons given what we've been led to understand after all these years.

Okay... in case any ones' interested... Ben Fellows is interviewed by Brian Gerrish in the following edition of 'UK Column Live' (October 25th 2012). He talks about his years as a child-actor and the experiences he went through - including an incident where he claims he was "groped" by a VERY senior MP.
Of course, Fellows is the 'whistle-blower' who went undercover to dish the dirt on 'G4S' during the Olympics...
Have to say, I'm also suspicious of this dude - I mean, he seems to get about a bit doesn't he... but I'll leave that for another time. If you want to jump straight to the interview, move the YouTube player to approx. 30mins.

Meanwhile, Fellows mentions the politician and his accusations in this article and goes into the details. He first made the allegations on Patrick Henningsen's site, '21st Century Wire':


http://www.maxfarquar.com/2012/10/ben-fellows-kenneth-clarke/


And here's a story from 'The Express' in which he features...

SEX ABUSE RIFE AT BBC SAYS BEN FELLOWS
A FORMER child actor revealed how he “ran a gauntlet of paedophiles” at the BBC, claiming the entertainment industry was rife with sex abuse.
Ben Fellows, who appeared in Eastenders, The Bill and Starlight Express before becoming an award-winning
filmmaker, spoke last night about how he was preyed upon by actors, directors and producers.

Mr Fellows’s testimony will pile more pressure on the BBC in the wake of the Jimmy Savile sex scandal.

He said: “Once I’d entered the entertainment industry proper I ran a gauntlet of paedophiles – both at the BBC and other television production companies and also in theatres, as well as commercial photo shoots.

“In fact, almost every production I was involved with I was targeted in some way or another.”

Mr Fellows, 38, who trained at the Royal Shakespeare Company, claims that as a teenager he was asked to take his top off and pose for photographs before being propositioned by men and women “all the time”.

On one occasion, he claims, he was chased around a dressing room by a naked actor at the Theatre Royal in London’s West End.



Full story here (although there ain't much of one in my opinion)...
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/vi...buse-rife-at-BBC-says-Ben-Fellows


UK Column Live - 25th October 2012 - Ben Fellows talks about child abuse in the media

Link




And finally, just in case you weren't aware of this story... taken from 'MailOnline' (October 25th 2012)...

Savile police to arrest up to a dozen 'household name' celebrities within days as it's revealed officers blew SEVEN chances to trap him
Police are on the verge of arresting up to a dozen household names accused of sex abuse but missed an incredible seven chances to trap paedophile Jimmy Savile while he was alive, it has been revealed.
Scotland Yard is to act 'within days' as it emerged the pervert DJ abused at least 300 people because he was allowed to rape and sexually assault victims unhindered for decades.
Savile is believed to have had accomplices and celebrities named by victims – some huge TV stars – will be quizzed over serious sex assault allegations as police warned: 'we will come for them'.

Revealing an 'arrest strategy' drawn up for a team of 30 officers yesterday, Met commander Peter Spindler said: 'There is Savile but there are also others and if those others are living we can now look at them.
'We are dealing with a major crime investigation here.'
Referring to the TV stars who will soon be visited by police he added: 'I really do want them to take heed, and tell them that we will come for them.'



Full story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...t-household-celebrities-days.html
jackchit

I come across this a while ago,its a kind of open forum for the people of Scarborough to wright random messages of the people who have lived or visited there over the years,interesting to read, also a few names we are sure to recognise.


jimmy saville, charles laughton, ann bronnte,
Alan Ackbourne is Scarborough biggest export. Also Robert Palmer.
Ian Dack - celebrity labourer, biker and general angry beaver
Paul Sellars
JIMMY SAVEL
WILLIS lol
Charles Laughton. "The Royal" outside scenes filmed here from South Cliff. Sir Alan Aykbourne lives here.
STU WALKER HARD CORE PROMOTER DIZTRUXION
Paul 'WAK' Walker, Scarboroughs' finest plasterer and man about town!
the sitwells?
Oh My God!! How has this page got so long without one single mention of the world-famous Danny Wilde ("Seaside Danny Wilde, say Seaside Danny Wilde"), a truly jaw-dropping entertainer, who played every week for years to an amazing mixed audience of swooning grandmothers, and stag and hen night revellers in the Lord Nelson seafront pub. I believe he is still alive and well and playing in The Aberdeen.
jimmy saville - very scary man - once tried to kiss bigmarks missus in wackers - would have loved to have fixed it 4 her
jimmy saville!!
Charles Laughton Was Born and lived here
paul ingle,richard dunn{fought ali)
JONO GREENING, FOOTBALLER, MIDDLESBOROUGH, WEST BROM
ANDY CHRYSSAFI of North Riding College, University College Scarborough and Hull University fame. Renowned lecturer, racconteur, donkey stroker,Chelsea supporter, kit car maker and the only man in the world who brushes his teeth with athlete's foot cream. A living legend amongst former students. The old Cypriot is now in retirement and it is a great loss to education.
big bazza izza, the best weed in the shire.
teri wiegal, anna nicole smith, jenna jameson, jo guest, kelly brook
obviously j. savville esq.
the most famous person i know is steve adamson he helps out with burniston football club!sorry him and all his mates!!!!! and that big guy who wears big orange fisherman trousers outside rendesvouz
Alan Ayckbourn is not a scarborian! He has lived in Scarborough a lot longer than most of our parents have been alive. He also manages to get people and money to come to Scabs that wouldn't bother otherwise. If you ever saw one of his plays you might just laugh, at the world and yourself.
***WARNING*** Anyone who knows Michael Casey, aka Michael Mowbray, DOB 27/10/88, ought to be aware that he has moved to Scarborough from Birmingham to live with the Kennedys because he is a child abuser. Please keep children and other vulnerable people away from him, especially anyone aged nine or under, of either gender. He has a track record of abuse despite the fact he is only 16.
Mark Richardson - formerly of little angels and skunk anansie now drumming with feeder - cool guy. Not so cool has to be Toby Jepson who unfortunately cameback to scarboro!!!!!
jim'll fix it! Hes a regular at Tuscanys, total perve.
Sir Jimmy Savile (Bless Him)
The Little Angels nineties Rock Band, Tony Hewitt(ex passenger of the current motor cycle sidecar world champion Steve Webster.)
yea batman lives here in his underground lare
It's ok, I've lived here eight years and still haven't seen Savile. It's reasonably safe.
jimmy savile
Alan Ayckbourn, lives in the old town. You can see his stuff at the SJT before it hits London and Broadway. Assorted C celebrities who frankly need shutting quietly away in special homes somewhere other than Scarborough.
'Fred' the guy who runs around, sleeps in telephone boxes and the bench outside rendezvous. Famous.
Sir Jimmy Savale has a house here and Paul Ingle, local boxer.
Jimy Saville, Liz Dawn (Vera out of Coronation Street)
Sir Jimmy saville! wot a swordsman! watch out girls.
alan ayckbourn and that scary guy with white hair thats always on the telly but i cant remember his name
Paul Eade, author of "Scarborough Football Club" and other sports books.
That Nellie from Eastenders lives up my road, think she was paulines aunty. Think shes it, walks around with a face that says "look at me". Obviously Sir Sexy Jimmy. Often seen ogling the females on the South Beach. Des Barnes ex-corrie has been spotted here a few times.
Charles Laughton, who directed one of the best fillums ever - Night of the Hunter - existed in Scarborough for a while. "Living" in Scarborough is a contradiction in terms.
Rosie, the infamous mid town dancer, would dance to all buskers, and then strip, and then get arrested, now in a care home, well looked after I believe!
Sir James Saville, Paul Ingle, Fred Feast (Ex- Coronation St.), Harry Dunn (retired boxer).
Note, it wasn't Paul Ince that took Naseem to the 11th round, it was Paul INGLE. Ince is a footballer who wouldn't last one round with either!
Paul ingle of course,
Ben (Steal yer wife) Fry Jimmy Saville Robert Palmer
bloody Jimmy Saville and some Burt Bacharach look a likes... oh and a guy with the same hat as Badly Drawn Boy...
The twat who has been shouting final paperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! outside Brunswick for the last millenium. Jack Salt Quiz master in the Evening News who's photo hasn't been updated for about 30 years. Conspiracy theories are rife as to his welfare let alone his very existence.
james saville
The inventor with silly glasses and a curly tash lives here somewhere. He was always on kids telly in the late seventies. I think his name was Wilf Lunn, but I couldn't swear to it.
A Grumbleweed once lived on our street.
me, myself and i
For the person below who went on about Paul Ince (!), it's DARREN Foreman, dolt.
jimmy saville when on holiday
Mitch Cook, Jonathan Greening, James Jowsey, Tony Outhart (all Scarborians who play/played professional football, just in case you're puzzled).
Mark Brewer - fashion icon of late 80's Alex Lincoln - Media "Darling"
Although not residents we've had the cast of Little Voice (including Ewan McGregor) staying here while filming. I've also seen a few stars of Corrie, past and present.
The running woman. On Scalby Road, on Northway, everywhere. Peter Jaconelli and his mate Jimmy Saville. Steve Morley the secret genius of Scarborough.
Some dude called chickenlegs. he used to chase kids and he is really fast!! And some dude i have heard of called nicholson.
Jimmy Saville lives here (god help us)
geffory hogpaste
Peter Jaconelli we all know about the great work he did with the kids of scarborough don`t we?
Some pilchard has written on your page that Paul Ince took Prince Naseem to the 11th round! Well it was Paul Ingle axtually, a Scarborough resident. Fred Gee who played the barman in Corrie as well. (A Scarborough resident, not a boxer!) died recently though.
Tricolo's Italian restaurant has pics on the wall of all the top showbiz legends who have eaten there. Like DLT, Bernie Clifton and Little & Large
jimmy saville-lives in scarborough that woman who plays vera duckworth in coranation street. michael foreman-not so well known but more of a local hero. PAUL INCE- took nassem hamed to the 11th round.
Vera Duckworth has a summer place here. Jimmy Saville also lives here. Anne Bronte died here.
Roy Walker, host of ITV's 'Catchphrase' quiz show, once rented a flat in Granville Square, South Cliff, not too far from where I live, actually.
Alan Ayckbourn, renowned for being a Scarborian - although frequently syas how much he loathes the town. Jimmy Saville - is he STILL alive? Can't think of anyone else.
I'm afraid this only stretches to Sir Jimmy Saville, who loves the place. Oh, and Vera Duckworth has a holiday flat too.
Robert Palmer, nee Allan Palmer and Charles Laughton

http://www.knowhere.co.uk/Scarboroug...nd/info/celebsI come across this a while ago,its a kind of open forum for the people of Scarborough to wright random messages of the people who have lived or visited there over the years,interesting to read, also a few names we are sure to recognise.


jimmy saville, charles laughton, ann bronnte,
Alan Ackbourne is Scarborough biggest export. Also Robert Palmer.
Ian Dack - celebrity labourer, biker and general angry beaver
Paul Sellars
JIMMY SAVEL
WILLIS lol
Charles Laughton. "The Royal" outside scenes filmed here from South Cliff. Sir Alan Aykbourne lives here.
STU WALKER HARD CORE PROMOTER DIZTRUXION
Paul 'WAK' Walker, Scarboroughs' finest plasterer and man about town!
the sitwells?
Oh My God!! How has this page got so long without one single mention of the world-famous Danny Wilde ("Seaside Danny Wilde, say Seaside Danny Wilde"), a truly jaw-dropping entertainer, who played every week for years to an amazing mixed audience of swooning grandmothers, and stag and hen night revellers in the Lord Nelson seafront pub. I believe he is still alive and well and playing in The Aberdeen.
jimmy saville - very scary man - once tried to kiss bigmarks missus in wackers - would have loved to have fixed it 4 her
jimmy saville!!
Charles Laughton Was Born and lived here
paul ingle,richard dunn{fought ali)
JONO GREENING, FOOTBALLER, MIDDLESBOROUGH, WEST BROM
ANDY CHRYSSAFI of North Riding College, University College Scarborough and Hull University fame. Renowned lecturer, racconteur, donkey stroker,Chelsea supporter, kit car maker and the only man in the world who brushes his teeth with athlete's foot cream. A living legend amongst former students. The old Cypriot is now in retirement and it is a great loss to education.
big bazza izza, the best weed in the shire.
teri wiegal, anna nicole smith, jenna jameson, jo guest, kelly brook
obviously j. savville esq.
the most famous person i know is steve adamson he helps out with burniston football club!sorry him and all his mates!!!!! and that big guy who wears big orange fisherman trousers outside rendesvouz
Alan Ayckbourn is not a scarborian! He has lived in Scarborough a lot longer than most of our parents have been alive. He also manages to get people and money to come to Scabs that wouldn't bother otherwise. If you ever saw one of his plays you might just laugh, at the world and yourself.
***WARNING*** Anyone who knows Michael Casey, aka Michael Mowbray, DOB 27/10/88, ought to be aware that he has moved to Scarborough from Birmingham to live with the Kennedys because he is a child abuser. Please keep children and other vulnerable people away from him, especially anyone aged nine or under, of either gender. He has a track record of abuse despite the fact he is only 16.
Mark Richardson - formerly of little angels and skunk anansie now drumming with feeder - cool guy. Not so cool has to be Toby Jepson who unfortunately cameback to scarboro!!!!!
jim'll fix it! Hes a regular at Tuscanys, total perve.
Sir Jimmy Savile (Bless Him)
The Little Angels nineties Rock Band, Tony Hewitt(ex passenger of the current motor cycle sidecar world champion Steve Webster.)
yea batman lives here in his underground lare
It's ok, I've lived here eight years and still haven't seen Savile. It's reasonably safe.
jimmy savile
Alan Ayckbourn, lives in the old town. You can see his stuff at the SJT before it hits London and Broadway. Assorted C celebrities who frankly need shutting quietly away in special homes somewhere other than Scarborough.
'Fred' the guy who runs around, sleeps in telephone boxes and the bench outside rendezvous. Famous.
Sir Jimmy Savale has a house here and Paul Ingle, local boxer.
Jimy Saville, Liz Dawn (Vera out of Coronation Street)
Sir Jimmy saville! wot a swordsman! watch out girls.
alan ayckbourn and that scary guy with white hair thats always on the telly but i cant remember his name
Paul Eade, author of "Scarborough Football Club" and other sports books.
That Nellie from Eastenders lives up my road, think she was paulines aunty. Think shes it, walks around with a face that says "look at me". Obviously Sir Sexy Jimmy. Often seen ogling the females on the South Beach. Des Barnes ex-corrie has been spotted here a few times.
Charles Laughton, who directed one of the best fillums ever - Night of the Hunter - existed in Scarborough for a while. "Living" in Scarborough is a contradiction in terms.
Rosie, the infamous mid town dancer, would dance to all buskers, and then strip, and then get arrested, now in a care home, well looked after I believe!
Sir James Saville, Paul Ingle, Fred Feast (Ex- Coronation St.), Harry Dunn (retired boxer).
Note, it wasn't Paul Ince that took Naseem to the 11th round, it was Paul INGLE. Ince is a footballer who wouldn't last one round with either!
Paul ingle of course,
Ben (Steal yer wife) Fry Jimmy Saville Robert Palmer
bloody Jimmy Saville and some Burt Bacharach look a likes... oh and a guy with the same hat as Badly Drawn Boy...
The twat who has been shouting final paperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! outside Brunswick for the last millenium. Jack Salt Quiz master in the Evening News who's photo hasn't been updated for about 30 years. Conspiracy theories are rife as to his welfare let alone his very existence.
james saville
The inventor with silly glasses and a curly tash lives here somewhere. He was always on kids telly in the late seventies. I think his name was Wilf Lunn, but I couldn't swear to it.
A Grumbleweed once lived on our street.
me, myself and i
For the person below who went on about Paul Ince (!), it's DARREN Foreman, dolt.
jimmy saville when on holiday
Mitch Cook, Jonathan Greening, James Jowsey, Tony Outhart (all Scarborians who play/played professional football, just in case you're puzzled).
Mark Brewer - fashion icon of late 80's Alex Lincoln - Media "Darling"
Although not residents we've had the cast of Little Voice (including Ewan McGregor) staying here while filming. I've also seen a few stars of Corrie, past and present.
The running woman. On Scalby Road, on Northway, everywhere. Peter Jaconelli and his mate Jimmy Saville. Steve Morley the secret genius of Scarborough.
Some dude called chickenlegs. he used to chase kids and he is really fast!! And some dude i have heard of called nicholson.
Jimmy Saville lives here (god help us)
geffory hogpaste
Peter Jaconelli we all know about the great work he did with the kids of scarborough don`t we?
Some pilchard has written on your page that Paul Ince took Prince Naseem to the 11th round! Well it was Paul Ingle axtually, a Scarborough resident. Fred Gee who played the barman in Corrie as well. (A Scarborough resident, not a boxer!) died recently though.
Tricolo's Italian restaurant has pics on the wall of all the top showbiz legends who have eaten there. Like DLT, Bernie Clifton and Little & Large
jimmy saville-lives in scarborough that woman who plays vera duckworth in coranation street. michael foreman-not so well known but more of a local hero. PAUL INCE- took nassem hamed to the 11th round.
Vera Duckworth has a summer place here. Jimmy Saville also lives here. Anne Bronte died here.
Roy Walker, host of ITV's 'Catchphrase' quiz show, once rented a flat in Granville Square, South Cliff, not too far from where I live, actually.
Alan Ayckbourn, renowned for being a Scarborian - although frequently syas how much he loathes the town. Jimmy Saville - is he STILL alive? Can't think of anyone else.
I'm afraid this only stretches to Sir Jimmy Saville, who loves the place. Oh, and Vera Duckworth has a holiday flat too.
Robert Palmer, nee Allan Palmer and Charles Laughton

http://www.knowhere.co.uk/Scarboroug...nd/info/celebs
Carlisa

“Rumours of my death have been wildly under-exaggerated”-  Jimmy Savile

From The Telegraph!

*Senior Tories accused over child abuse
Two senior Conservative figures were named during an official inquiry into widespread child abuse at children’s homes.

The inquiry, established to examine allegations of abuse, heard claims that a paedophile ring operating from children’s homes included policemen, social workers and other prominent public figures.

Their identities were protected by an order from Sir Ronald Waterhouse QC, the retired High Court judge in charge of the 1997 North Wales Child Abuse Tribunal of Inquiry, after he dismissed the claims they had taken part in abuse as “fantasy”.

But there are now calls for the allegations to be re-examined in the light of the Jimmy Savile scandal, which has engulfed the BBC and parts of the NHS, with claims that his predatory abuse of young teenage girls over three decades was covered up at a time when victims were less likely to be taken seriously.

On Saturday night the calls were backed by Keith Towler, the children's commissioner for Wales, who told BBC Radio 5's Saturday Edition programme: "I would support a full inquiry. Unless you do that, the level of suspicion will always be around that there is a cover-up... No-one should be protected.”

One of the alleged victims of the north Wales abuse ring has now asked for a meeting with David Cameron to discuss his accusations, in the light of the Prime Minister’s statement, following the Savile revelations, that victims of abuse must be heard.

Steve Messham said: “He’s made a statement, a sweeping statement that abused people need to be believed. It’s time he knew the truth. It’s time a full investigation took place and until I can meet with him and get some reassurance I don’t believe we will get anywhere.”

A Downing Street spokesman said: “If someone is concerned that an allegation was reported in the past but not fully investigated, they should raise this with the police or relevant authority so that they can look again at what happened.”

During the Waterhouse inquiry it was claimed that abuse took place at the country home of a senior Tory politician and at parties.

Sir Ronald ordered the media not to publish the names of the alleged members of the paedophile ring.

He ruled that the media could not report the name of any living person who was accused of abusing children in the North Wales homes unless they had previously been convicted of such an offence.

When the names of two leading Tory politicians were mentioned in evidence Sir Ronald, who died last year, dismissed the claims as “embarking in the realm of fantasy” and said that they were an example of the problematic “nature of some of the allegations” the inquiry was being asked to examine.

All those named as members of the alleged ring denied the charges, either in evidence to the tribunal or through their lawyers.

One of the politicians named at the inquiry - a former confidante of Margaret Thatcher, who is still alive but retired from public life - has firmly denied any involvement.

The latest allegations follow claims last week that another of Baroness Thatcher’s closest aides was implicated in the north Wales scandal.

Rod Richards, a former Conservative MP, claimed he had seen evidence linking Sir Peter Morrison to the case.

Sir Peter, who was a Tory MP and Lady Thatcher’s parliamentary private secretary, died in 1995 at the age of 51. It is not thought that he was named at the Waterhouse inquiry.

The official report of the inquiry, published in February 2000, concluded that widespread abuse had taken place at residential children’s homes in north Wales between 1974 and 1900.

It found that a paedophile ring did exist in the Wrexham and Chester areas, with adult men targeting boys in their mid-teens, particularly those in care.

However, the report said the inquiry had seen no evidence that prominent public figures were involved in the ring.

The report, called Lost In Care, stated: “No evidence has been presented to the Tribunal or to the North Wales Police to establish that there was a wide-ranging conspiracy involving prominent persons and others with the objective of sexual activity with children in care.”

But Mr Messham told BBC’s Newsnight on Friday that the inquiry had uncovered just a fraction of the abuse.

He said: “You were taken by car, where basically you were sexually abused. Various things would happen, drink would be involved, it was basically rape. But it wasn’t just him, there be other people involved as well.

“In the home it was the standard abuse which was violent and sexual. Outside it was like you were sold, we were taken to the Crest Hotel in Wrexham, mainly on Sunday nights, where they would rent rooms.”

When asked how many times he was abused by the politician Mr Messham said: “I couldn’t give an exact number as it goes back many years, but certainly more than a dozen.”

In his Newsnight interview Mr Messham also said that he had gone to the police in the late 1970s to report the abuse, but that he was not believed. He said that his statements to the police included allegations of sexual abuse against the politician.

Allegations of abuse at Welsh children’s homes first surfaced in the mid 1980s when Alison Taylor, a senior social worker at a care home in Bangor, reported her suspicions to her superiors.

After becoming dissatisfied with their response she took her concerns to Malcolm King, the new chairman of Clwyd county council’s social services, in 1991, who reported them to the police.
In March 1994 Clwyd County Council commissioned an independent inquiry into the claims. However, Clwyd’s inquiry report was never published and the copies were pulped to ensure that the local authority was able to maintain its insurance cover.

Amid growing public pressure William Hague, the-then Secretary of State for Wales, ordered an inquiry into the allegations.

The Waterhouse inquiry heard evidence from more than 650 people who had been in care from 1974 and took almost three years to publish its report.

One of the principal offenders identified by the report was Peter Howarth the deputy principal of the Bryn Estyn children’s home in Clwyd. Howarth was convicted in July 1994 of eight sexual offences and received a total of 10 years in prison. He died in April 1997.

Also named was Steven Norris, another senior member of staff at Bryn Estyn, who was sentenced to seven years in prison in 1993 after pleading guilty to seven sexual offences.

The latest allegations come after Tom Watson, the deputy chairman of the Labour Party, claimed in the House of Commons last week that a paedophile ring may have had links to Downing Street under a former Prime Minister.

Mr Watson said there was “clear evidence” that a Number 10 aide was connected to Peter Righton, who was convicted in 1992 of importing child pornography, and urged police to investigate the allegations.

He has not named the aide or said who was Prime Minister at the time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/u...ies-accused-over-child-abuse.html
Angryhead

Hello there. Long time no speak! In all honesty, I've been reluctant to post much on this thread recently. This entire story has become so 'big' and fast-moving that there doesn't appear to be much point in posting updates about something that's being covered by much larger sites and forums that have a larger membership (and thus, more of a pro-active involvement) and where events, stories, theories, and developments are reported on quicker. Basically (hand on heart), there's not much I can personally add to that.
One forum worth noting for interesting posts and thoughts is the David Icke Forum:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222773&page=584

However... I will try my best to update on anything worthy of note.

'News just in' (as they say)... Taken from the 'MirrorOnline' (November 5th 2012)...

"Maggie minister abused children": Claim that alleged paedophile was in Tory Cabinet
A top minister in Margaret Thatcher’s government has become the latest senior Tory to be accused of child abuse.

Labour MP Tom Watson has revealed he has been contacted with accusations about “a former Cabinet minister who regularly abused boys”.

Mr Watson refused to disclose the identity of the alleged paedophile who is believed to be a Tory who served in Lady Thatcher’s front bench team.

The bombshell claim means there are now allegations that four senior Conservatives, including at least two who were close to the former Prime Minister, were child abusers.

It was revealed as David Cameron faced mounting pressure to hold a new inquiry into the abuse scandal at children’s homes in North Wales in the 1970s and 80s.

The Children’s Commissioner for Wales, Keith Towler, said yesterday that unless a fresh investigation is carried out there will always be allegations of a whitewash.

He added: “Unless you do that, this level of suspicion will always be around – that there is a cover-up, that there is a containment exercise, that we have to protect somebody.”

He was backed by ex-Tory Defence Secretary Michael Portillo who said the PM was demanding “absolute transparency” from the BBC over the Jimmy Savile abuse scandal.

Mr Portillo said: “David Cameron will have to adopt a similar position.

“He will have to say he wishes toget to the root of whatever may have happened – not institutionally with the Conservative Party but whatever it was that may have happened.”

Downing Street brushed off the calls yesterday, insisting that any allegations should be referred to the police.

One of the abuse victims, Steven Messham, now 51, told BBC2’s Newsnight programme last week that he was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a top Tory politician from the Thatcher era.

Mr Messham, who said he was banned from identifying the politician at the Waterhouse inquiry into the scandal, is also calling for a new probe.

The inquiry, which concluded in 2000, identified 28 alleged abusers but they were never named in public.

Last week Sir Peter Morrison, Lady Thatcher’s parliamentary private secretary who died in 1995, was implicated in the abuse, in which 650 children were sexually assaulted at 40 homes.

The latest allegations revealed by Mr Watson at the weekend are not related to the North Wales horrors.

Nor are they connected to his claim that cops overlooked evidence linking a No.10 insider to child porn smuggler Peter Righton’s paedophile ring.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...-watson-mp-a-top-minister-1417353



Is it perhaps connected to the following story from October 28th (the 'Daily Star')?...

TORY PAEDO COVER-UP
POLICE probing an underage sex ring at the heart of Maggie Thatcher’s government were warned: “Stop investigating if you want to keep your jobs.”

Officers in London were ­ inquiring into allegations made by a teenage rent boy that a Cabinet minister had been abusing him.

The youth claimed to be one of a number of boys regularly having sex with rich and powerful men in the 1980s – some of whom would fly to the illegal orgies from Europe.

As well as the Cabinet minister – who is still alive – he pointed the finger at judges, European bigwigs and senior civil servants.

He told his story to detectives, who are understood to have received other allegations against the minister.

But a former detective who worked on the case revealed they were ­suddenly told to halt the probe.

The furious ex-policeman said: “It wasn’t that we ran out of leads but it reached a point where a warning to stop came.

“It was a case of ‘get rid of everything, never say a word to anyone’. It was made very clear to me that to ­continue asking questions would ­jeopardise my career.”

There is no suggestion that Mrs Thatcher – who is now 87 and suffering from dementia – knew about the ­investigation or the fact it was stopped.

As Britain’s first female PM, she held power from 1979 until 1990.

The accused top Tory was never arrested and no one was ever charged over the rent-boy ring.

The vulnerable teen who spoke to ­detectives vanished just weeks after blowing the whistle.

The dropped probe was carried out by the Metropolitan Police – the same force now investigating six decades of abuse by telly star Jimmy Savile. It ­discovered high-profile men were ­paying the boys to attend sex parties at “millionaire properties” in London and the Home Counties.

A “network” of boys, including ­runaways, were used – many of whom were said to have been recruited around the then notorious rent-boy haunt of Leicester Square.

Some of the VIPs were said to have flown in via RAF Northolt on the outskirts of London.

One boy told police wealthy men from Belgium attended the parties, which were described as “high class” and featured top-notch food and booze.

The detective said the whistleblower was petrified about the repercussions.

He said: “The boys had been trapped in a cycle and were scared stiff about what might happen if they were found to have spoken.” The married Cabinet minister the boy named held a series of high-level posts in government.

A Whitehall security source said he received extra vetting from MI5 prior to taking up high office after rumours about his private life.

“The security services looked at him with special care,” the source said. “When you are nominated for a key Cabinet post it doesn’t matter what background you are from, you have to be vetted.

“Any weaknesses have to be disclosed to the Cabinet Secretary and Prime Minister

“But suspicions are not evidence. He’s a clever man – he would have ­dismissed it with a laugh.

“Mrs Thatcher may have suspected he was bisexual but that’s not a crime.”

Police sources in the minister’s home region said there are other unsubstantiated allegations that he was once found trying to abuse the son of a friend.

Last week Labour MP Tom Watson said he had been told of evidence ­linking another child sex ring to ­Parliament and Downing Street.

He said case files from 20 years ago involving convicted paedophile Peter Righton contained evidence of links to Number 10.

He said there was “clear intelligence of a widespread paedophile ring”, ­adding: “One of its members boasts of his links to a senior aide of a former Prime Minister, who says he could smuggle indecent images of children from abroad.”

Mr Watson said the leads were not followed up. And he said he had been contacted by someone who claimed the police “held a vast quantity of ­material suggesting Jimmy Savile was a ­predatory paedophile”.



Full story here:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/279380



Taken from 'The Sun' (November 5th 2012)...

Savile victim aged EIGHT
Youngest yet was attacked in hospital

A WOMAN who was eight when Jimmy Savile abused her has emerged as his youngest victim so far.
She says he molested her in Stoke Mandeville Hospital as she recovered from surgery.
She came forward as it was revealed 29 BBC staff face sexual misconduct claims in the wake of the Savile scandal — three times the number previously thought.
The Stoke Mandeville victim is suing Savile’s multi-million pound estate and the hospital for damages over the alleged 1986 attack.
Solicitor Liz Dux said: “This was a little girl who went in for treatment and came out an abuse victim. She should have been protected.”
Liz’s firm Slater & Gordon is representing 36 abuse victims — including a man and woman who were nine when DJ Savile attacked them on BBC premises in the 1980s.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homep...is-youngest-to-emerge-so-far.html



Taken from 'MirrorOnline' (November 4th 2012)...

Shocking scale: Jimmy Savile may have abused up to 900 victims
Serial paedophile ­Jimmy Savile might have abused as many as 900 victims.

It is feared the most ­recent figure of 300 could ­treble as more people come ­forward.

Scotland Yard is ­investigating complaints from 1958 to 2006.

The true scale of Savile’s abuse at BBC premises, hospitals and schools is likely to take several months to ­uncover.

A source close to the ITV1 programme which exposed Savile said: “It will take a long time before we know exactly how many young people Savile abused but we fear we are looking at between 800 and 900.

“People are coming ­forward every day and the situation is complicated further because of the timescale involved.

"We have opened a can of worms on a scale which we could have never ­imagined.

“Never before has a ­predatory paedophile been given so much access to children, many of them vulnerable, over such a long period of time.”

Lawyers acting for Savile’s alleged victims say up to 350 ­could sue.

Solicitors are ­dealing with 50 allegations that could turn into massive claims against the BBC.

Schools, the Savile estate, ­Broadmoor hospital, Stoke ­Mandeville Hospital and Leeds General Infirmary are also facing claims.

ITV hopes to run the ­next part of its ­investigation on ­November 21.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...may-have-abused-up-to-900-1415597



In case you missed this, 'The Sun' seems to have picked up on the Yorkshire Ripper link (whether it'll run with it is another point of course)...

November 4th 2012...

Savile and the Ripper
Was BBC's paedo also a killer?

Mass killer Peter Sutcliffe murdered third victim Irene Richardson yards from the paedophile DJ’s penthouse.
Regular Broadmoor visitor Savile also befriended Sutcliffe after the Ripper was moved to the secure hospital for his slaughter spree.
Professor David Wilson, Britain’s top expert on serial killers, believes police should now investigate whether the hideous pair’s sinister bond developed BEFORE Sutcliffe was caught.
Another crime expert even thinks BBC star Savile could have turned killer himself in his craving for more and more perverted thrills.
And the family of Sutcliffe’s first victim are demanding that cops question the killer, now 66, to find out if Savile was involved in any of the 13 Ripper murders or helped cover them up.

Former gravedigger Sutcliffe knifed Irene, 28, and killed her with three hammer blows near toilets in Roundhay Park, Leeds, on February 5, 1977.
Leeds-born Savile — suspected of abusing 300 young victims over 50 years — had taken a lease on his flat in Lakeview Court, overlooking the park, in September 1971.
Prof Wilson — dubbed a real-life version of TV’s Cracker — said: “At first sight the suggestion that Savile might be connected with the crimes committed by Sutcliffe will seem far-fetched.
“Yet predatory paedophiles and serial killers are the awful products of common forces which, in their case, were allowed to develop unchecked.
“So the links aren’t that far-fetched at all.
“Savile and Sutcliffe came from the same area and some of Sutcliffe’s crimes took place very close to where Savile lived.
“Both inhabited a world where men were encouraged to take what they wanted by force and where girls and women were seen as things to be used and then discarded. They used sex and violence instead of intimacy to express their inner demons — the need to be powerful and to control girls and women.”

Prof Wilson, head of criminology at Birmingham City University and a former prison officer, said police investigating the Savile scandal might want to know if the star and Sutcliffe were “renewing an acquaintance from some years previously” when they chummed up in Broadmoor.

Savile, who had keys to the Berkshire hospital, took big-name friends to visit the mass murderer, sentenced to life in 1981. Prof Wilson said: “Savile may have died, but Sutcliffe lives on and might be willing to talk about the circumstances in which he first came to know Savile.
“The coincidences between predatory paedophile Savile and serial killer Sutcliffe seem to be mounting daily.”
Sutcliffe had already struck near Savile’s flat a year before he murdered Irene.
He picked up hooker Marcella Claxton, 20, in May 1976 and battered her over the head nine times in Roundhay Park. She survived but lost her baby.
Marcella, now 55, still has blackouts and suffers from depression. Savile, found dead at his flat two days before his 85th birthday last year, abused his paper boy at the property in 1975.

The son of first Ripper victim Wilma McCann joined the call for a probe into Savile’s relationship with Sutcliffe.
Richard McCann, 42, was five when The Ripper smashed his mother’s head with a hammer and stabbed her 14 times. The 1975 murder was also in Savile’s home city of Leeds but further from the DJ’s flat than the Irene Richardson attack.
Mr McCann said: “If Savile was party to any murder the public and the families of the victims have a right to know about it. It should be investigated. If an expert has said this needs looking into then there should be an investigation into their relationship and I would welcome police findings.”
Mr McCann met Savile weeks before he died — and thinks the cigar-chomping Top of the Pops legend could have had personality traits similar to Sutcliffe’s.

Weirdo Savile also shared Sutcliffe’s fixation with corpses. As a volunteer porter at Leeds General Infirmary, the star often wheeled bodies to the mortuary.
And Savile had an unhealthy relationship with women, starting with a fixation with his mother, who he dubbed The Duchess.
He also admitted he could empathise with psychos and felt like Alfred Hitchcock’s schizophrenic killer Norman Bates — because he had no emotions. The Met refuse to say whether they will interview Sutcliffe about his friendship with Savile — now officially one of Britain’s worst sex offenders.
A spokesman said yesterday: “We are not giving a running commentary on the investigation.”



Full story here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homep...r-Sutcliffe-have-been-linked.html



I wonder how much Murdoch knows about this thanks to his years of phone-hacking? I find it hard to believe that he didn't know something.

AND NOW... READ THIS. WHAT DOES IT LEAVE YOU THINKING AFTERWARDS?.... Letters to the Queen, eh?...


From the 'Daily Star' (November 4th 2012)...

PAEDO SCANDAL COVERED UP
A VICTIM of a paedophile ring linked to Margaret Thatcher’s Tories believes his two brothers were murdered for trying to expose the truth.

Chris Johns, who begged the Queen to help protect him and his family after the first brother was killed, says he hopes one day there will be a new probe into their deaths.

He was speaking as Labour MP Tom Watson – who spoke out against the same paedo ring in Parliament – said he too is afraid for his safety.

Chris is convinced his brothers were silenced as they began to reveal the full extent of the paedophile network, which wrecked the lives of hundreds of young boys from the late 1960s onwards.

Adrian, 32, died in an arson attack before he had chance to give a statement, while brother Leander, 34, was found dead in mysterious ­circumstances, below, during the trial of one of his abusers.

Just a handful of men involved in their abuse and that of scores of other children were ever convicted.

Chris himself says he had underage sex with a high court judge and was raped by a police officer who has never faced justice.

Our investigations meanwhile suggest at least one Tory peer, a major showbiz star, political figures including a Conservative MP and an agent to a world-famous singer could be implicated.

The ring allegedly spread well beyond North Wales, where the brothers were abused, into London and across Britain.

Steven Messham, a victim of the same ring, says he was raped “more than a dozen times” by a “leading politician from the Thatcher years”.

And last night Chris said: “I want ­recognition of how deep into society this thing goes.

“These people are utterly ruthless and have their dirty work done by third parties.”

The 59-year-old, along with his brothers, were all put into care as children.

And that’s when they fell into the hands of evil paedophile John Allen, who ran children’s homes across North Wales.

In 1992 after years of abuse, Adrian, who had been at the Bryn Alyn home, tried to blackmail Allen by saying he was going to tell all unless he gave him money.

According to Chris he had decided to lift the lid on the depravity.

But on April 17, 1992, Adrian was killed in an arson attack, which Leander survived with awful burns after jumping to safety. In 1995 both Chris and Leander gave evidence against Allen during a trial.

And that’s when Chris wrote to the Queen.The letter, which Chris has given us ­ permission to publish, shows him begging Her Majesty for help.

He wrote: “We were mentally, morally and physically abused as children (most of it will probably never come to light).”

And he added: “Having given our evidence Leander, myself and indeed the rest of my family in Wales are living in great fear of our lives.”

An aide to the Queen replied, saying his ­letter had been forwarded to the Lord ­Chancellor’s department and the Prince of Wales.

But the only reply was from a representative of the Chancellor’s impersonally named “Customer Service Unit”.

Leander, known as Lea, died days later from an ­unexpected overdose, which Chris and his family have a­lways questioned.

During the week between Lea’s evidence and his death, Allen had absconded from bail.

His whereabouts were never properly ­explained. He claimed he had a breakdown and ­wandered lost in an Oxfordshire wood.

But £16,500 was taken from his bank accounts during that time.

Chris said: “Leander survived the fire and gave evidence at court but within two days he was dead.”

Allen was given six years for sex assaults on boys.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/280600



Originally sourced from 'The Times' (October 27th 2012)...

Savile, the police and the social club that lasted 20 years
Jimmy Savile cultivated the friendship of a group of senior police officers through weekly meetings at his penthouse apartment, while being investigated over a string of abuse cases, a friend of the star has told The Times.

The broadcaster’s “Friday Morning Club” included up to nine serving and retired police officers. The meetings were held regularly for almost 20 years until shortly before his death.

There is no suggestion that the men had any idea that Savile was involved in abuses, or that during this period police in other parts of the country were investigating at least six allegations that he had sexually abused children. Scotland Yard has been contacted by more than 300 possible victims with accounts of abuse over 40 years.

Most of the officers who attended the “club” at Savile’s home in Leeds were from West Yorkshire Police, the force now investigating claims that Savile abused vulnerable children while working as a volunteer at Leeds General Infirmary.

Joseph Barker, a friend of Savile’s since primary school and a founder member of the club, recalled yesterday: “They used to meet every Friday, about a dozen of them. Three quarters of them were police.”

He described how Savile would “hold court”, leaning back in a black leather armchair with a cigar. “We just drank tea and made light conversation. He was more of a listener when we were there — he liked to get people’s opinions,” Mr Barker, 85, said.

He said the BBC Radio 1 DJ and host of Top of the Pops and Jim’ll Fix It had befriended some of the officers while giving talks at corporate functions or community events.

Mr Barker was one of Savile’s oldest friends alongside the DJ’s long-serving BBC radio producer, “Uncle” Ted Beston. He met Savile when they were pupils at St Anne’s Primary School in Leeds. They became close friends, cycled together in the Yorkshire Dales and threw a joint 21st birthday party. Mr Barker filmed two documentaries with Savile about mining, one for the BBC and one for ITV. He and his wife, Iris, would go on holiday to Scarborough three times a year and tried to co-ordinate their visits with Savile.

He is devastated by the revelations about Savile, saying: “He never mentioned women. It was always racing, cycling and music. I just can’t believe it. It’s like Jekyll and Hyde.”

“I’d never known him have an attraction to a woman his own age,” Mrs Barker said. “We always thought he saw himself as one of the mafia. Any problem that arose, he used to say, ‘My people will take care of it’. Now we are wondering who ‘my people’ were.”

Savile wrote in his autobiography about an incident in the 1960s when he spent the night with an attractive girl, who had run away from a remand home, before handing her over to police in Leeds. He said a high-ranking woman police officer was persuaded by her colleagues not to charge him as “it was well known that were I to go, I would probably take half the station with me”.

Other members of the club included Howard Silverman, a hairdresser and friend for 40 years, Jeffrey Marlowe, a running companion, and David Dalmour, a singer, who along with Mr Barker were each left £1,000 in Savile’s will. Mick Starkey, who retired from West Yorkshire Police as an inspector shortly before Savile’s death, was also a member of the Friday Morning Club. The DJ joked that the officer was his “bodyguard”.

Mr Starkey, 61, could not be contacted yesterday, but after Savile’s death he told his local newspaper how he often drove Savile in his £150,000 Rolls-Royce, including taking him for a spin in the Yorkshire Dales four days before his death.

“He was a part of my life as I grew up. He was a distant figure associated with Top of the Pops, Pan’s People and everything that was trendy,” Mr Starkey said. I never thought for a minute that in later life, as a serving police officer, I would meet him professionally or that subsequently we would become close friends.”

Another officer named as a club member, Sergeant Matthew Appleyard, who was on duty at Wetherby Police Station in West Yorkshire yesterday, refused to comment. Other officers in the club could not be traced.

Savile received recognition for his community work from police forces across the country. An auction of his possessions in July included a table lighter inscribed “To Jimmy Savile from his friends at the Fraud Squad”, along with a series of plaques and awards including the Metropolitan Police 150th Anniversary medal.

A spokesman for West Yorkshire Police said that the force had not conducted any past investigations into Savile but had received calls from victims as a result of the recent media coverage. “None of these alleged any failure by police to investigate previously,” he added.

The spokesman said Savile had publicly supported some West Yorkshire Police campaigns, although none in recent years. He said that the force had no information about officers attending Savile’s Friday Morning Club but that they were free to do what they wished when off duty.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/medianews/article3581584.ece


From the 'MailOnline' (October 29th 2012)...

'A guy with a big cigar and a string vest who is covered in gold chains and trinkets... is this the guy we want to become a hero for kids': Why TV boss banned Savile from Children In Need
Jimmy Savile was secretly banned from the BBC’s Children in Need appeal for being ‘creepy’.
Though still revered elsewhere at the corporation, the presenter was kept away from the annual fundraiser because of ‘rumours’ of his interest in young girls.
Sir Roger Jones, the former chairman of Children in Need, said: ‘We all recognised he was a creepy sort of character. We took the decision that we didn’t want him near the charity.’
Savile raised millions for good causes, so the revelation that he was barred from the BBC’s own flagship appeal suggests his unsavoury lifestyle was widely known.
Sir Roger, 69, who was a governor of BBC Wales at the time, said: ‘A guy with a big cigar in his mouth, a string vest who is covered in gold chains and trinkets – is this really the guy we want to become a hero for kids?
‘I had no evidence but I found his behaviour very strange. I felt it was inappropriate. I couldn’t tell that he was a practising paedophile – but I didn’t have to.
‘A charity like Children In Need knew the biggest thing to guard against was paedophiles – they were just like flies around the  honey pot.’
Savile appeared on the telethon in 1984, 1987 and 1989, before Sir Roger became chairman. A member of the board of governors between 1996 and 2002, Sir Roger said he would have stepped down from his charity role if Savile had become involved.
He added: ‘On my watch, Children in Need was properly covered. There were no incidents. We did everything we could to protect the children.'

The National Association for People Abused in Childhood is demanding an ‘on air’ apology during this year’s Children in Need appeal on November 16.



Full story here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...n-Need-creepy-sort-character.html



From the 'MirrorOnline' (October 20th 2012)...

Jimmy Savile and the IRA: Predator boasted terrorist friends could have enemies hospitalised
JIMMY Savile terrified enemies by snarling that he was mates with ­­IRA killers who would ­cripple anyone who crossed him.

The cunning paedophile used threats of ­violence to silence victims and anyone else who ­threatened to expose him, ­investigators on his case believe.

Today the Sunday People can reveal how Savile once bragged to our journalist how he could fix anyone with just one phone call – to terrorists.

He said: “All I have to do is call my friends in the IRA. They’ll have someone waking up in hospital the next morning eating their breakfast through a f***ing straw.

“I know the IRA, men from the IRA, and you don’t need to ask these guys twice. I’m serious. Don’t f***ing think I’m not serious. I can get them done – just with a phone call. That’s all it takes, young man.”

Our evidence has been passed to the multi-agency investigation into Savile, now believed to have collected the accounts of 200 victims.

Sources close to the investigation believe the complaints that have emerged so far are the tip of the iceberg. And others are STILL in fear of their lives despite Savile’s death a year ago aged 84.

Our source said: “He boasted of knowing gangsters and men who you wouldn’t want to double cross. It is likely that some had been threatened with the IRA.

“They are still worried about ­coming forward.From all of the evidence ­gathered there is a clear picture ­developing of someone who not only abused vulnerable children but intimidated them and left them fearing for their lives.”

Terror was just one weapon used by Savile to stifle threats as he ­systematically abused children from 1959 to as late as 2006.

Savile, a Roman Catholic who was once blessed by The Pope, was a regular visitor to Ireland using his charity work as a cloak. He made IRA threats during a meeting 12 years ago when our ­journalist was a local ­reporter on the Bucks Herald.

Savile was a volunteer helper at nearby Stoke Mandeville Hospital and was upset about the death of a local figure who he had known for several years.

There was a rumour the man had died after being mugged in the street.

The TV bigshot demanded the names of the thugs responsible.

We have omitted the name of the ­deceased out of respect for his family.

Arrogant Savile summoned our ­journalist to his ­office and raged: “I want you to tell me what happened with **** *****. If you hear that someone has done this then I want you to tell me who straight away.

“I want to know names and I can have them waking up in hospital with every bone in their body broken.

“If someone has done this to **** ***** that makes them my enemy. And you don’t want to be my enemy.”

When asked to explain he then made his boasts of his IRA ­connections. Savile ­added: “You don’t get blessed by the Pope for nothing.”

We told Mr Williams-Thomas of Savile’s threats and the investigator said: “The pattern of behaviour which has emerged is that Savile’s victims felt in great fear of him and this has ­prevented many from speaking out then or ever since. Having researched Savile and knowing what I know, their fears were and are very ­genuine.” He said it was possible some victims are yet to come forward because they still have reasons to be afraid.

Savile also boasted of his use of ­violence and links to gangsters when filmed for a BBC Louis Theroux documentary.

Talking of his time as a dance-hall boss in Leeds in the 50s, he said: “I was always in trouble with the law for being heavy handed but I couldn’t care less.

“I never threw anyone out. I tied them up and put them down in the bloody boiler house until I was ready for them at about two o’clock in the f***ing ­morning. They’d plead to get out.

“Bo***cks to them. We’d tie them up and then come back. I was the judge, jury and executioner.

“If a copper came and said, ‘You was a bit heavy with that kid or those two guys,’ I’d say, ‘Your daughter comes in here. She’s 16. She’s not supposed to come into town but she does and she comes here. I presume you’d like me to look after her. If you don’t, then tell me and I’ll let them dirty slags do what they want to her.’”

He said the police would reply: “All right, Jim. All right.”

And he would tell the officers: “All right, then, don’t give me a f***ing hard time then. I never got nicked.

“And I’ve never altered.”



Full story here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...-the-ira-predator-boasted-1389710



Any one interested in watching the Louis Theroux documentary on Jimmy Savile from 2000, I've posted it below. I watched it at the time and recall a few weird, odd - even slightly unsettling moments. I haven't watched it since, but I'm sure it would add a completely new perspective to some previously mysterious moments. The part that has always stuck in my memory was his 'creepy' obsession with his dead mother and her bedroom (I really do wonder as to the exact nature of their relationship you know). This documentary was on 'YouTube' but has since appeared to have... dis-appeared.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/...s_louis-theroux-jimmy-saville_fun



There's lots more interesting stuff on the internet - and some interesting theories and claims being put forward.
Incidentally, it's worth taking a look at some of the videos and articles that 'Abel Danger' have been posting recently. They're linking Savile's activities to (surprise, surprise) governments, private security companies (think 'BlackWater'), the Kray brothers, the BBC, the Bilderbergers, and even Libya, Gadaffi, and the killing and "rape" of US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens.

It all starts from here:
http://www.abeldanger.net/search?...14:12:00-10:00&max-results=10


I haven't had too much time to look into this in great depth. I've been busy with lots of other stuff in the last couple of months (other research / my blog... also 'life'), but I will take a look in the not too distant future.
direk

thanks for these.that AbelDanger one is long! gonna take some serious reading time later.looks interesting though. Very Happy
Angryhead

direk wrote:
thanks for these.that AbelDanger one is long! gonna take some serious reading time later.looks interesting though. Very Happy



Thanks direk.  Smile  Yeah, you're right. That 'Abel Danger' link requires a few hours of reading to really get into and appreciate. I still haven't found the chance to do that yet.

Abuse victim who blew the whistle speaks
The man whose allegations of sexual abuse last week resurrected the care homes scandal has tonight met the Welsh Secretary in London. Steve Messham claims that around 80 photographs were taken of sexual abuse involving him and other boys, and that he handed them over to the police in 1979, but that they failed to act.

Link



As the blurb above states, Messham was due to meet with the Welsh Secretary yesterday - and he did. Messham spoke to reporters following his meeting with him, and it's featured in a video in the link below ('Telegraph' / November 6th 2012)...

Steve Messham 'fairly optimistic' his child abuse claims will be taken seriously
Mr Messham spoke after meeting the Welsh Secretary David Jones and said: "We discussed what went on in the past, what was covered up, what shouldn't have been covered up.
"I think the investigation will take a different route this time ... I'm fairly optimistic," he added.
Mr Messham claims that a Tory grandee raped him "more than a dozen times" at a Welsh children's home when he was 13-years-old.
Allegations were previously looked into under the The Waterhouse Inquiry in 2000 but claims were found to be groundless and the names of 28 alleged abusers were not published.
Theresa May has now announced that the director general of the National Crime Agency, Keith Bristow will assess recent allegations of historic child abuse at North Wales care homes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegr...aims-will-be-taken-seriously.html



Now a 'Channel 4 News' report from a few days ago...

Broadmoor Knew Jimmy Savile Was A "Paedophile & A Psychopath".

Link




Taken from 'The Mirror' (November 6th 2012)...

New Jimmy Savile shock: Pervert TV star was quizzed as suspect in Yorkshire Ripper murders
Jimmy Savile was quizzed by cops investigating the Yorkshire Ripper murders, a senior officer who worked on the inquiry revealed today.

Former West Yorkshire Police detective John Stainthorpe said the disgraced presenter was a suspect in the notorious case more than 30 years ago.

Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe has jumped to the defence of Savile, who he claims is innocent and befriended him during visits to Broadmoor high security hospital.

Mr Stainthorpe, who spent 40 years in the force, told ITV's Calendar News: "When the Ripper was really active, one of the suspects put forward by the public was, in fact, Jimmy Savile.

"Strange as it may seem. Obviously, it was not he, but he was interviewed along with many others."

Mr Stainthorpe said the person who gave police the anonymous tip-off was "aiming in the right direction".

"Child perverts soon become child killers," he added.

Peter Sutcliffe was convicted of murdering 13 women in 1981 and was sentenced to life imprisonment.

He is held at Broadmoor and has been told he will never be freed.

Sutcliffe today claimed Savile regularly visited him in custody and the pair became friends .

Rubbishing claims the late DJ abused around 300 victims over six decades, he said those making allegations were "jumping on the bandwagon".

Sutcliffe, 66, told the Sun: "It's a load of rubbish. People are just getting carried away.

"He visited a lot. He'd always come and chat with me on visits and I would introduce him to my visitors.

"Several times he left £500 for charities I was supporting."



Full story here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...-yorkshire-ripper-suspect-1420344



A round-up of the past few day's events regarding Savile and paedophilia here. Worth a look ('UK Column Live' from November 5th 2012)...


Link




During the 'UK Column Live' broadcast, Gerrish and co. refer to this story (from 'The Mirror' / November 5th 2012)...

Jimmy Savile: Police fail to search his Scarborough flat for clues
A seaside flat where Jimmy Savile entertained police cronies has not been searched by cops even though it is just about to be sold.

Fears are growing that vital clues to the pervert DJ's secret life could be lost if his flat on the fashionable Esplanade in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, is not examined soon.

It is now being sold to a buyer who reportedly offered £200,000 - £25,000 over the asking price.

Neighbours say that Savile's "Friday Morning Club" of mainly police officer pals who met at his Leeds home sometimes visited Scarborough too.

Local MP Robert Goodwill said: "I'm surprised they have not checked out the property before any evidence can be compromised. No stone should be left unturned."

A spokesman for the Metropolitan police, organising the investigation, said: "We are not giving a running commentary on this case. We are not saying where we are searching."



Full story here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...ile-police-fail-to-search-1417655



Very interesting... is it not? For example:

Local MP Robert Goodwill said: "I'm surprised they have not checked out the property before any evidence can be compromised. No stone should be left unturned."

And...

It is now being sold to a buyer who reportedly offered £200,000 - £25,000 over the asking price.

And...

Neighbours say that Savile's "Friday Morning Club" of mainly police officer pals who met at his Leeds home sometimes visited Scarborough too.


Veeery interesting regarding the mention of Scarborough. More about that in a minute, first though, here's a story I posted a few days ago about that "Saturday Morning Club'...


Originally sourced from 'The Times' (October 27th 2012)...

Savile, the police and the social club that lasted 20 years
Jimmy Savile cultivated the friendship of a group of senior police officers through weekly meetings at his penthouse apartment, while being investigated over a string of abuse cases, a friend of the star has told The Times.

The broadcaster’s “Friday Morning Club” included up to nine serving and retired police officers. The meetings were held regularly for almost 20 years until shortly before his death.

There is no suggestion that the men had any idea that Savile was involved in abuses, or that during this period police in other parts of the country were investigating at least six allegations that he had sexually abused children. Scotland Yard has been contacted by more than 300 possible victims with accounts of abuse over 40 years.

Most of the officers who attended the “club” at Savile’s home in Leeds were from West Yorkshire Police, the force now investigating claims that Savile abused vulnerable children while working as a volunteer at Leeds General Infirmary.

Joseph Barker, a friend of Savile’s since primary school and a founder member of the club, recalled yesterday: “They used to meet every Friday, about a dozen of them. Three quarters of them were police.”

He described how Savile would “hold court”, leaning back in a black leather armchair with a cigar. “We just drank tea and made light conversation. He was more of a listener when we were there — he liked to get people’s opinions,” Mr Barker, 85, said.

He said the BBC Radio 1 DJ and host of Top of the Pops and Jim’ll Fix It had befriended some of the officers while giving talks at corporate functions or community events.

Mr Barker was one of Savile’s oldest friends alongside the DJ’s long-serving BBC radio producer, “Uncle” Ted Beston. He met Savile when they were pupils at St Anne’s Primary School in Leeds. They became close friends, cycled together in the Yorkshire Dales and threw a joint 21st birthday party. Mr Barker filmed two documentaries with Savile about mining, one for the BBC and one for ITV. He and his wife, Iris, would go on holiday to Scarborough three times a year and tried to co-ordinate their visits with Savile.

He is devastated by the revelations about Savile, saying: “He never mentioned women. It was always racing, cycling and music. I just can’t believe it. It’s like Jekyll and Hyde.”

“I’d never known him have an attraction to a woman his own age,” Mrs Barker said. “We always thought he saw himself as one of the mafia. Any problem that arose, he used to say, ‘My people will take care of it’. Now we are wondering who ‘my people’ were.”

Savile wrote in his autobiography about an incident in the 1960s when he spent the night with an attractive girl, who had run away from a remand home, before handing her over to police in Leeds. He said a high-ranking woman police officer was persuaded by her colleagues not to charge him as “it was well known that were I to go, I would probably take half the station with me”.

Other members of the club included Howard Silverman, a hairdresser and friend for 40 years, Jeffrey Marlowe, a running companion, and David Dalmour, a singer, who along with Mr Barker were each left £1,000 in Savile’s will. Mick Starkey, who retired from West Yorkshire Police as an inspector shortly before Savile’s death, was also a member of the Friday Morning Club. The DJ joked that the officer was his “bodyguard”.

Mr Starkey, 61, could not be contacted yesterday, but after Savile’s death he told his local newspaper how he often drove Savile in his £150,000 Rolls-Royce, including taking him for a spin in the Yorkshire Dales four days before his death.

“He was a part of my life as I grew up. He was a distant figure associated with Top of the Pops, Pan’s People and everything that was trendy,” Mr Starkey said. I never thought for a minute that in later life, as a serving police officer, I would meet him professionally or that subsequently we would become close friends.”

Another officer named as a club member, Sergeant Matthew Appleyard, who was on duty at Wetherby Police Station in West Yorkshire yesterday, refused to comment. Other officers in the club could not be traced.

Savile received recognition for his community work from police forces across the country. An auction of his possessions in July included a table lighter inscribed “To Jimmy Savile from his friends at the Fraud Squad”, along with a series of plaques and awards including the Metropolitan Police 150th Anniversary medal.

A spokesman for West Yorkshire Police said that the force had not conducted any past investigations into Savile but had received calls from victims as a result of the recent media coverage. “None of these alleged any failure by police to investigate previously,” he added.

The spokesman said Savile had publicly supported some West Yorkshire Police campaigns, although none in recent years. He said that the force had no information about officers attending Savile’s Friday Morning Club but that they were free to do what they wished when off duty.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/medianews/article3581584.ece



Now... link all that to this story I came across a week or so ago (glad I 'saved' it now)... the Scarborough Connection... Taken from 'The Express' (October 23rd 2012)...

POLICE ‘LINKED JIMMY SAVILE TO PAEDOPHILE RING’
SENIOR police officers investigating a suspected paedophile ring operating around seafront arcades in Scarborough in the 1980s had concerns that Jimmy Savile may have been involved, the Daily Express has been told.
Although his name was repeatedly mentioned to the 2003 investigation team Savile was never quizzed over targeting under-age girls for sex between 1982 and 1986.

The case led to the prosecution of Brian Rutter, then 66, and John Thomas White, then 68. Both were jailed but Rutter was later cleared on appeal.

White abused young girls he met on Scarborough foreshore, one of Savile’s favourite haunts, and at the time of the trial it was claimed that “there were no shortage of young girls drifting around Scarborough seafront in the 1980s, and no shortage of older men prepared to take advantage of them”.

Police then believed a number of paedophiles were operating within the Scarborough area including a man who abused children at his caravan overlooking the seaside resort.

Savile also kept a caravan in the resort where he admitted “taking young ladies”.

Last night a source said: “During the Rutter and White trial Jimmy Savile’s name was the hot topic of conversation. People just treated it as ‘really good gossip’. It looks like this may have been a missed opportunity to tackle Savile while he was still alive.”

North Yorkshire Police spokesman said: “When the allegations surrounding Jimmy Savile were publicised, we carried out extensive searches of force records which did not reveal a local connection.

“However, following the coverage, two women came forward about alleged offences committed by Savile that occurred in Scarborough in the late 60s and late 80s.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/vi...-Jimmy-Savile-to-paedophile-ring-



Make of it what you will

Edit: Problem with video, sorted
Angryhead

The latest news this morning...

From 'The Sun' (November 8th 2012)...

What does Ripper know about Savile?
PRESSURE was growing last night for police to probe the emerging links between pervert DJ Jimmy Savile and Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe.
They include the fact cops hunting the prostitute slayer took a cast of Savile’s TEETH — most likely to check against bite marks on victims.

Sutcliffe NAMED Savile in police interviews and two of his victims were FOUND near Savile’s flat. The TV star VISITED Sutcliffe in prison soon after his conviction and they were seen as FRIENDS during his later trips to Broadmoor Hospital.
Now questions are being asked over whether they may have known each other BEFORE the murderer was locked up.
The making of a cast of Savile’s teeth was revealed by ex-model and Benny Hill girl Nikki Critcher, who had become friends with Harley Street dentist Dr Mace Joffe around 1980.
Nikki, now a mum of three who has trained as a lawyer, said: “Mace was called up by police and used to keep us updated. He told us he had to go up to Leeds and take a cast of Jimmy Savile’s teeth.
“He said he had been told by the police that Savile was known to them for using prostitutes and that he had been a potential suspect.”
Former Page 3 girl Nikki added: “We were amazed. We didn’t think he’d be the sort — he was doing all his charity work and things.” South African-born Dr Joffe died in 2003.
Two hookers believed to be Ripper victims had bites on their breasts. Sutcliffe denied killing one of them, but detectives at the time reckoned he was lying to cover for an accomplice.

Sutcliffe, now 66, was convicted in 1981 of murdering 13 women and attempting to kill seven others.
In 1976 he picked up pregnant prostitute Marcella Claxton, 20, and attacked her in Roundhay Park — near a flat Savile owned. Marcella survived but lost her baby.
The following year Sutcliffe killed Irene Richardson, 28, just yards from the same flat.
Savile was out at the time of the murder and was told about it by a neighbour when he returned.
According to author Michael Bilton’s book Wicked Beyond Belief, Sutcliffe mentioned Savile during a police interview in Armley Prison, Leeds, on January 22, 1981.
Sutcliffe was asked why he placed Irene’s boots over her legs before he left the park.
He said: “For two reasons. One, because I could hear voices from I don’t know where and a car had just driven into an entrance just behind the building — that was the block of flats I found out later where Jimmy Savile lived.
“Secondly I was surprised to see how luminous she appeared in the dark.”


When Sutcliffe was jailed for life he was sent to then top-security Parkhurst jail on the Isle of Wight before transferring to Broadmoor in 1984 diagnosed with schizophrenia.
In her book Voices From An Evil God, writer Barbara Jones told how Sutcliffe and Savile “struck up a sort of friendship” when Savile was a prison visitor.
She quoted Sutcliffe as saying: “He used to come into my cell often, and joke about us both being a couple of Yorkie puds.”
And she added: “By the time Sutcliffe was transferred to Broadmoor Hospital, Savile was established there in the temporary post of Director of a Task Force set up to run the hospital while a new health authority was being formed. He promised to help him with materials for painting and other hobbies.”
She also said Sutcliffe once persuaded Savile to give £500 to a charity being run by a woman who visited him.
Asked by The Sun about Sutcliffe in April 2006, Savile called him a “mate”. He said: “Peter’s a Yorkshire lad like me. I also work in Broadmoor’s sister hospital Carstairs. I’ve done all sort of strange things in there for nearly 50 years.”
As The Sun revealed on Tuesday, Sutcliffe in turn jumped to the defence of Savile — claiming in a taped rant that victims reporting attacks were just “jumping on the bandwagon”.



More Savile related news here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homep...oes-ripper-know-about-savile.html



Of course, a lot of what's featured in the story above was covered here by us many months ago on this thread. Once again, the mainstream are playing 'catch up'.
As featured on an earlier page, here's what Sutcliffe said during his trial (the quote/info is taken from a website, the writer of which claims:
"The following has been compiled from various newspaper sources at the time of the trial, and from books released afterwards. It is by no means a complete record of events at the trial of Peter Sutcliffe, but is, hopefully, a substantial account of those events. It should also be noted that in the attempt to merge the various accounts together, I have had to decide where to place some sections of text and quotes in the order of testimony. There is the possibility that some of these sections may not be in the correct position. In the case of extracts from Peter Sutcliffe's confession, I am also unsure whether all that I have included were actually read into the record of the court.")

The following is from Week 1 of the trial:
Mr Sutcliffe told police: "I drove to Leeds to find a prostitute to make it one less. I saw this girl and she got in without a word. I told her that I may not have wanted her but she told me she would give me a good time. I drove her to a park and she wanted to go to the toilet. They were locked so she decided to urinate on the grass. I used the hammer and a Stanley knife on her. As she was crouching down urinating on the grass I hit her on the head at least two or three times. I lifted up her clothes and slashed her abdomen and throat."

Mr Sutcliffe also told police he left the murder scene after he heard voices, but couldn't tell where they came from. He also heard a car being driven away from the entrance to a house. Later he found out that the house was where disc jockey Jimmy Savile lived.

Mr Sutcliffe also told police: "By this time, killing prostitutes had been an obsession with me. I couldn't stop myself. It was some sort of drug."



Taken from here:
http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/trial03.htm

Trial menu:
http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/trial01.htm



Savile's now been implicated into the allegations surrounding Bryn Estyn... taken from 'MailOnline' (November 7th 2012)...

Victims tell of horror inside North Wales care home where gang rape, strip searches and vicious canings were a way of life... and Jimmy Savile was a regular visitor
Keith Gregory was just 11-years-old when he was taken away from his parents in the 1970s to Bryn Estyn children's home in North Wales.
Forty years later, he has revealed the horror inside the care home where gang rape, strip searches and vicious canings were a way of life - and where Jimmy Savile was a regular visitor.
Mr Gregory claimed young boys used to lie in their beds and pretend to be asleep to avoid being taken to a flat and abused by staff and visitors - those that were taken came back sobbing.
He knew of children being driven off to a hotel where they would be gang raped and said he was beaten bloody and subjected to humiliating strip searches.
His revelations came as a man, named Ben, claimed boys at the home were molested for Savile's 'entertainment'.
He said he was raped repeatedly by the deputy head Peter Howarth - who was later jailed for abusing boys - and he and other boys there would also have their pyjama bottoms pulled down by Howarth so predatory paedophile Savile could ogle them.
He told The Sun: 'Savile just eyed up my privates and laughed.
'He thought it was funny, entertainment. This happened to a number of boys.'
Then the Jim'll Fix It star made Ben sit on his lap, 'then he started rubbing my leg. After that I went to bed but he had other children brought up to him', said the victim.

He claims youngsters were sent to Mr Howarth's flat if they had been 'good boys' and Savile and his brother Johnny would sometimes be in the flat with the boys.
Johnny, who died in 1998, was sacked as a recreation officer from a psychiatric hospital over claims he raped a former patient.
Howarth was jailed in 1994 for ten years for abusing boys and he died in prison.
The news comes after other victims named former ex-Tory MP Sir Peter Morrison - Margaret Thatcher's Parliamentary Private Secretary - was another regular visitor. He died in 1995.
Ben, now 51, who does not want to use his full name, said he knew boys were taken off in smart-looking cars at night by visitors - and now realises one of the visitors was Morrison.
Other victim Mr Gregory, now 55, who is now a county councillor in Wrexham, said: 'I know of 12 or 13 people off the top of my head who have killed themselves because of Bryn Estyn.
'On my first day I was told to wait outside a staff member’s door, as he would want to speak to me, so I waited and leaned against the wall.
'When the member of staff saw that, he punched me in the stomach and shouted "when I talk to you, you stand to attention".
'I refused to apologise and he dragged me in, tore my clothes off and caned me from the back of my neck to the bottom of my feet. I was beaten bloody.

'They didn’t bring in a doctor. Everything was in-house, kept in secret within the walls of the home.
'They would do searches after a visit, where they’d check you everywhere. It made me hate visits from my family. It was very invasive - they would check your penis and your bum.
'They said it was because people could smuggle stuff in, but why didn’t they just search the visitors? It was just an excuse to touch us.
'We had what was called ‘Borstal showers’, where a man would come in and watch us.
'One teacher used to take you into the shower - which was like a cattle pen - and turn them on alternatively freezing cold and boiling hot and force you to run all around them, and he would whip you with a very fine stick if you slowed down.
'I tried to report this, and other things going on. There were beatings and we were made to lean against walls, supporting ourselves with our fingertips, for hours at a time.
'We were made to hold floor buffers - big metal things - in the air for hours. It used to kill our hands and arms. It was torture. I’d had enough.'

He said he reported the goings on to a care worker, who came in and set up a case conference with members of staff and members of the governing body, but 'they just started laughing at me'.
He added: 'I became aware of people being taken from their beds at night. They made you feel powerless.
'There was a flat on the grounds where we were told all the ‘good boys’ would go to watch films. But they were given something to drink and then they would abuse them.
'We used to lie in our beds and pretend to be asleep and put our heads under the sheets. We didn’t know who they were going to come for. You’d hear the kids being put back into their beds crying their eyes out, sobbing their eyes out. It sounds horrible, but you’d be glad when it wasn’t you.
'We knew of people visiting this flat. People turned up regularly.
'We also knew of kids being driven off to a hotel where they would be gang raped. That didn’t happen to me, but it was common knowledge. I knew it carried on.'
He said there were youngsters whose parent's had died in horrific circumstances, and these were targeted more, because officials knew nothing could be done about.
Mr Gregory, who spent almost three years at the home, said he knew some of the lads ended up as sex workers in London and Manchester after being thrown out and ending up on the streets.
He said he later was visited by a former police officer who was investigating the Waterhouse Inquiry into child abuse in Wales.

He added: 'In the inquiry there were a lot of people we were not allowed to name, all the visitors (the report focused solely on Bryn Estyn staff and care workers). If you wrote a name they would cross it out.'
'If the authorities had looked into the names we supplied during the Waterhouse inquiry, there’s a chance they could have caught more paedophiles. Links could have been found.
'And that would have stopped another 12 years of innocent people being abused.'
Earlier this week David Cameron ordered an independent investigation - likely to be led by a judge - into whether an inquiry ignored claims a senior Tory was involved in child abuse at the home.
The Prime Minister said he would ask an independent figure to review the Waterhouse Inquiry into into abuse at the home in the 1970s and 1980s.
It follows allegations that a senior unnamed Conservative was among those involved in abusing children but were not properly investigate at the time.
It came after Mr Messham claimed in an interview with BBC’s Newsnight that he was taken out of Bryn Estyn and ‘sold’ to men for sexual abuse at a nearby hotel.
Mr Messham said a senior Tory from the time - who was not Sir Peter Morrison and who was not named by the programme, had been involved.
He said he was raped by a 'leading politician from the Thatcher years' and said the top Tory told him he'd be killed if he told police.
Steven Messham revealed he was contacted by detectives following last Friday's programme which alleged he was raped 'more than a dozen times' by the man, described by Newsnight as a 'shadowy figure of high public standing'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...Jimmy-Savile-regular-visitor.html



One of the victims from the home and mentioned in the article above was interviewed by 'Radio Five Live' some days ago. His name is Keith Gregory - now a councillor in Wrexham. I want to hear more of this in the mainstream. Hopefully, people will sit up and take it seriously...

BBC - Child Sex Abusers ALL Freemasons

Link




Finally, an article from 'Channel 4 News' (November 2nd 2012)...

How Jimmy Savile revealed all in the psychiatrist's chair
A rare transcript of a radio interview with Jimmy Savile, obtained by Channel 4 News, reveals startling insights into a man who planned escape methods and said "I could be corrupted".

In 1991 Jimmy Savile gave a chilling interview that left BBC psychiatrist Anthony Clare with concerns about the then beloved broadcaster.

A full transcript of the recording obtained by Channel 4 News reveals dramatic insights into Savile's disturbed psyche and his obsession with holding "ultimate freedom". Savile even boasted on air of his escape plans should he ever be caught out in a major career-ending scandal.

The interview appears in a book by BBC Radio 4 psychiatrist, the late Anthony Clare, which brings together a number of interviews from the radio series In The Psychiatrists Chair.

When asked by Dr Clare about his freedom from emotional attachments to people, Savile boasted: "I'm not constrained pretty well by anything.

"The tough thing in life is ultimate freedom, that's when the battle starts. Ultimate freedom is what it's all about, because you've got to be very strong to stand for ultimate freedom.

"Ultimate freedom is the big challenge, now I've got it, and I can tell you there's not many of us that have got ultimate freedom. I've got some considerable clout as well, all over. That is where the battle, the personal battle starts now."

"I've managed to handle complete and ultimate utter freedom. It's marvellous but it's dangerous.

"It would be easy to be corrupted by many things, when you've got ultimate freedom, especially when you've got clout. I could be corrupted."

He goes on to say he has "all the money that was ever printed" and as such can do what he wants when he wants, stating "it is all too much".

Savile explains how he never sleeps in the same place two nights in a row and carries a shoulder bag that has not been completely unpacked for "nearly 30 years".

His obsession with making money is questioned, with Savile revealing an odd motive for always keeping a new car in the driveway. Knowing what we now know, it seems he prepared to be ready to go on the run.

"I can go skint in a day. I can be finished like that. If a scandal comes up or something like that or the people go off you, you're finished. I'd much rather go skint with a brand new Rolls Royce in the garage than one that's eight years old that I love, because I'll get more for it.

"So the day that I get finished by some whatever, then the bits and pieces that I've got I'll make sure that they're all paid up and they're all brand new because I could then go and be very unhappy in the south of France, covered in shame and sunshine and mad birds with bikinis on for a long time because there was a new Rolls Royce there and a new this and a new that.

"So I am all terribly logical which is actually bad news for you guys, because common sense and logic don't leave you with a lot to find out."

He goes on to claim he "hates children" and has no interest in charity: "I haven't got an interest in charity, not really. No it's just that I've got a knack, I think you're putting the cart before the horse there.

"Because I've got a knack for raising money or making money now, I don't really care whether I make it... I don't care whether I make it for me or somebody else, it's academic to me, as long as I'm having a go at making it."

Savile's relationship with his mother, who he called "the duchess", was complex, he notes she never showed tactile affection but says she raised him for the first half of his life and he raised her for the second half. He barely mentions his father.

After his mother's death he spent five days with her body before the funeral and claimed it was the happiest time of his life, when quizzed by Dr Clare Savile claims that in those days she was "all mine".

"We hadn't put her away yet and there she was lying around so to me they were good times, they were not the best times.

"I'd much rather that she hadn't died but it was inevitable therefore it had to be. Once upon a time I had to share her with a lot of people. We had marvellous times but when she was dead she was all mine, for me. So therefore it finished up right, you understand, and then we buried her."

Throughout the interview Savile refuses to open up about his feelings and goes to great pains to claim he has no skeletons in his closet: "I mean I don't go away from here and indulge in some wild fetishes or wild weirdo things or anything like that.

"If you turned my stone over there ain't nothing underneath it. It's probably a boring stone for somebody like you who wants to find things out about people. What you're seeing is actually what there is full stop.

He also openly confesses "I'm dishonest in inverted commas insofar as I'm a ducker and diver and if I see an opportunity of getting something by only going halfway round the course I'll do it".



Full article here:
http://www.channel4.com/news/how-...ed-all-in-the-psychiatrists-chair
direk

thanks again angry.darker and darker.still not much mainstream mentioning of the necro stuff yet. necro as in dead.as in,how suttcliffe liked to make people.


this person(a victim of child abuse) has a big list of links to blogs on the subject(child abuse not necrophilia!) if anyone is interested in digging around(and has the stomach for it!).They are also not fans of Tom Watson MP either although i can't for the life of me refind the conversation i read.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/10241773679644853620


ps did anybody see the PM's 'surprise' 'ambush' on tv today?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20251939

seems like he's getting the ball rolling on the next coverup and the internet censorship agenda whilst also defending their homosexual agenda!(imo) in one swift statement.completely 'off the cuff' as it were!   Confused
direk

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13,606 views of this thread!!! Shocked  slightly above average!!
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direk wrote:
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To quote Brian Gerrish, that's very interesting.. Very Happy
Angryhead

Hello, direk...

Quote:
ps did anybody see the PM's 'surprise' 'ambush' on tv today?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20251939

seems like he's getting the ball rolling on the next coverup and the internet censorship agenda whilst also defending their homosexual agenda!(imo) in one swift statement.completely 'off the cuff' as it were!


I know what you mean, and I agree - although I'm not sure if Philip Schofield is complicit in all this (i.e. was he part of a charade to make this happen?).

Since Cameron's appearance on 'This Morning,' I've been hard-pressed to find one person (within the mainstream) who's agreed with Schofield's interview techniques that day (i.e. handing Cameron that card of names). In fact, he's been attacked for it from all quarters (also check out 'YouTube' comments for example).
Assuming that Schofield is 'legit,' then what was it he did exactly that was wrong? As far as I can see, he was doing exactly what any journalist worth his salt would've done. I thought this was what proper journalists were meant to do?
I can recall a particular (similar) episode in recent(ish) history (back in 2000 / 2001) when paedophiles were openly named and shamed in the mainstream tabloid press. I can remember the aftermath of all that, the scenes of members of the public over-reacting and turning up at suspected paedos' homes to attack them physically only to find they were chasing the wrong person (they'd over-reacted and got the person's name wrong). It got so ridiculous that the satirical show 'Brass Eye' screened a spoof about it all and in which people who were actively fighting against paedophiles were represented as loonies almost.
Now... looking back on all that, I wonder if it was all part of some kind of Tavistock / Fabian Society mind-trap that the gutter-press and the media were complicit in? Knowing what we all know regarding the UK government's and EU's plans to normalise and de-stigmatise paedophilia (and to lower the age of consent), was that entire episode in recent(ish) history part of a larger plan to destabilise the reputation of people who actively make it their business to stamp out and expose paedophiles? Who knows? Maybe those scenes of angry protestors standing outside suspected paedophiles' homes with banners (with badly-spelt slogans - as if to suggest they were ignorant and brutish) was all staged? Maybe people with good intentions were duped (and even possibly intentionally given those incorrect names of suspected paedophiles in order to discredit them when they turned up on the wrong man's doorstep with their banners)?

Here's a reminder of those days back in 2000... taken from 'BBC News' (July 2000)...

'Paedophiles' list condemned
The News of the World has been criticised for publishing the names and details of "convicted paedophiles" in the wake of the murder of schoolgirl Sarah Payne.
It printed and put online the names, photographs and believed whereabouts of 49 people it says are convicted paedophiles.

There are fears the move could encourage members of the public to take vigilante action and may force sex offenders underground.

But the paper's executives defended the action, saying it is urging readers not to take matters into their own hands.

Sarah Payne's naked body was found in Sussex countryside last Monday more than two weeks after she was reported missing.

The News of the World has not printed the exact addresses of the 49 men and women listed in Sunday's edition, but it does reveal which part of the country they live in.

The information also appears on its website, and it says it will eventually publish information on 110,000 "proven" sex offenders.

But the National Association for the Care and Resettlement of Offenders has called the move grossly irresponsible.

Policy director Paul Cavadino said it could mean children are put more at risk.

News of the World executive editor Robert Warren dismissed accusations that the story was an irresponsible stunt to sell more papers.

He said a Mori poll of 614 adults showed 84% thought paedophiles should be named and 88% would want to know if one was living in their area.

"Public opinion is very much on our side," he said.

The charity, Childline, said there was a risk of people taking the law into their own hands.

The paper's managing editor Stuart Kuttner said: "We don't believe there's any room for vigilante action in a civilised society.

"We're going to call on our readers not to act in any unlawful way. What we're doing, to put it simply, is warning and alerting, but most definitely not inciting."

The newspaper said the law to control paedophiles was not tough enough.



Full story here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/846832.stm



Again... from 'BBC News' (August 30th 2000)... By the way, check how many times the word "ignorant" is used here (mind-control? Suggestive / cognitive playing of words?)...

Paediatrician attacks 'ignorant' vandals
A hospital paediatrician has hit out at vandals who forced her to flee her home after apparently taking her job title to mean she was a paedophile.
South African-born Yvette Cloete - a 30-year-old trainee consultant at the Royal Gwent Hospital, Newport, south Wales - said she planned to move home after returning to find the outside of her property daubed with the words "paedo".

She said she can not rule out the possibility that the paint attack was connected with her job at the hospital.

Ms Cloete said the graffiti had been daubed across the front door windows and surrounding woodwork on Monday.

"I'm living with friends at the moment. I won't be returning there again. I think I will look for somewhere more upmarket.

"It looks as though it was just a question of confusing the job title for something else - I suppose I'm really a victim of ignorance," she said.

Both Gwent Police and Dr Cloete believe the only explanation is the "extraordinary ignorance" of the people who carried out the vandal attack.

Chief Inspector Carl Close, who is heading the investigation into the attack, said the police currently had no ideas who was responsibe.

But he said he felt that it maybe someone more 'sinister' than children.

Marie Thorn, a senior administrator at the Royal Gwent Hospital, said Dr Cloete was dealing "very well with the circumstances".

"As a happy coincidence she is moving away from the area - and I don't think this will be anything to make her regret that decision," she said.

"It is really quite staggering that this kind of mistake can happen. Some people are incredibly ignorant."



Full story here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm




Actually... here's some more about that Channel 4 'Brass Eye' spoof (I've literally just found this only seconds ago)... Now having read this whilst writing this post - it only confirms my earlier thoughts... BY THE WAY - AND THIS IS IMPORTANT (IMO) - THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE (IN WHICH PAEDOPHILIA IS ALMOST BEING PASSED OFF AS A FANTASY) WAS WRITTEN BY THE BBC!!
Knowing what we now know about the BBC's involvment with Savile (and the corporation's overall - alleged - attempts to 'normalise paedophilia) can you see in the following article how we're being 'mind-controlled' / conditioned to accept paedophilia (or am I imagining it)?


check it out:


The Brass Eye Paedophile Special

"In comparison to the past, children today are relatively safe. During the years 1983-93, 57 children were killed by strangers in the UK - an average of five a year... when one considers that there are 12 million children in the UK, the risk of murder by a stranger is statistically negligible."
- F Furedi, Culture Of Fear, 1997

"The majority of all children countable under the Harm Standard1 (78%) were maltreated by their birth parents, and this held true both for children who were abused (62% were maltreated by birth parents) and for those who were neglected (91% experienced neglect by birth parents)."
- US Department of Health Survey, September 1996

This is the story of one of the most controversial 'controversial' moments of 2001 in the UK. It is a story of provocation, stupidity, deceit, bravery and laughter. It is the story of the Brass Eye Paedophile Special.

Intro
The UK's fourth television channel, Channel 4, is a publicly-owned broadcaster whose remit includes the provision of innovative and challenging programmes. It gave a platform to a satirist called Chris Morris2, who made several episodes of Brass Eye. Brass Eye was a parody of the schlock, sensationalist documentaries that have grown in popularity in recent years. Each episode would tackle an issue in British life: drugs, sex, animals, science, crime and social decline. On 26 July, 2001, to celebrate the series' repeat showing, came the most controversial episode yet... the one-off Paedophile Special.

Background
In recent years, the concept of the lone, predatory paedophile has become a cause of great concern in the UK. This concern came to a head with the abduction and murder of Sarah Payne, a very young girl who was out playing with her brother. The media were outraged and the editors of one tabloid, The News of the World, took it upon themselves to publish the names, pictures and addresses of known paedophiles. Almost immediately, vigilante groups attacked these people, and protest marches were held around their houses. In the hysteria, innocent people were mistaken for paedophiles and in one incident a paediatrician had graffiti sprayed over her house by youths3. The simple fact that most child abuse occurs at the hands of relatives in the home has largely been ignored. Another factor not widely considered is the tabloids' own propensity for using titillation and stories of celebrity sex as a staple of their content. The question of how such organisations can consider themselves moral barometers is a valid one, and one that is rarely raised in open fora.

The Programme
As always, the programme took the form of a spoof documentary. In Channel 4's own words, there were five fundamental themes:

*Media hysteria
*Misinformation
*Sexualisation of children
*Media hypocrisy
*Public debate

The programme makers approached 315 public figures and invited them to take part in promoting a paedophile awareness campaign. This campaign was a set-up. They were asked to read scripts containing ludicrous assertions, including:

*Internet paedophiles can project poison gas through a child's keyboard using the new HOECS4 system.

*Paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than humans.

*'Trust Me Trousers', which were inflated to hide a paedophile's erection.

*Supporting a group called 'Nonce5 Sense'.

Amazingly, several celebrities fell for it and happily regurgitated this rubbish for the camera. These people included:

Phil Collins - Musician
Gary Lineker - BBC sports presenter
Phillipa Forrester - BBC science presenter
Barbara Follett MP - Member of Parliament
Syd Rapson MP - Member of Parliament
Richard Blackwood - Comedian
Neil Fox - DJ

The programme contained a sequence depicting a child pageant in the United States, with concerned parents discussing plastic surgery to help their girl win. Paedophiles were presented as garish monsters with increasingly silly methods of attack. At one point, a paedophile was shown disguised as a school, and an amputee paedophile was shown acquiring artificial limbs to become 'Robo Peado'. In another sequence, a paedophile newly-released from jail was burned alive in a wicker phallus by a vigilante hate mob. The hate mob also killed a man called 'Peter File', but apparently this was entirely his own fault for having a silly name.

The Aftermath
A man was convicted of the murder of Sarah Payne, whose death started off the whole shebang. It turned out that the man, Roy Whiting, had previous convictions for child abuse, and this fact has rekindled the whole debate. The News of the World's 'Name 'n' Shame' campaign has restarted. There are calls for information about paedophiles' movements to be made public, presumably so that vigilantes can beat them up.

And the majority of child abuse in the UK is still being carried out by relatives in the child's own home.

Have you seen that reported in any tabloids recently? Thought not. Perhaps it's easier to attack a myth than solve a real problem.



Full article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/dna/place-lancashire/plain/A676424


Hey! You know?... Maybe I'm wrong? I haven't watched that 'Brass Eye' special since it was last screened over ten years ago, so maybe I'm judging it wrong? Maybe I need to watch it again before jumping to these conclusions? I've always been a fan of Chris Morris and his satirical look at how the media operates ('The Day Today' and Alan Partridge most notably), but, looking at the info above, I don't half get this uneasy feeling that it was an exercise in 'normalising' paedophilia.

I'll try to find that episode in it's entirety and then post it here (I think you have to watch it in it's entirety to get the full context - mere clips won't do justice).

Okay... moving on slightly but sticking with the media...

Is it mere 'coincidence' that the day after Philip Schofield was attacked by politicians - and even the Prime Minister himself for handing Cameron that 'card of names' - Lord McAlpine stepped forth and threatened to sue, and - most notably - made a point of attacking the media for linking him to paedophilia?
When I first heard about this yesterday morning on 'Sky News TV', the main correspondent reporting on it made a point in his summing up to state (and I'm paraphrasing), that "certain sections of the media had been irresponsible in listing names of suspected paedophiles on the internet" and that the "mainstream media was by and large not guilty of this, and that it had been OTHER SECTIONS WITHIN THE MEDIA that were responsible for this."
A shiver went down my spine when he said this. By 'other sections of the media,' was he alluding to the "ALTERNATIVE media"?
Was this the first step towards clamping down on - well - us (to put it bluntly)?
What makes this even more chilling is the fact that Leveson is due to appear at the end of this month with the findings of his enquiry. Now.. as you'll know... I've always been suspicious of this. I went to great lengths on the old forum (and in this thread) to theorise that the 'Hack-Gate' 'scandal' was merely an attempt to give the government powers to stamp out the 'Alternative' media. Don't forget, the anti-hacking organisation 'Hacked Off' is run and financed within the 'Common Purpose' / DEMOS umbrella, and some members on Leveson's inquiry panel are linked to 'CP' and DEMOS.

I'm sorry guys. I feel as though I'm 'on a roll' here, so humour me. I'm going to get into this a little deeper.

So... taken from 'StopCP.com'...

COMMON PURPOSE AND MEDIA CONTROL
The Leveson Inquiry is a Common Purpose stitch-up being used to further Common Purpose's media control agenda. Common Purpose is exploiting the News of the World hacking scandal to further its media control agenda.

The Media Standards Trust is controlled by Common Purpose. They are obviously up to no good, but what exactly?




Indeed. The 'Media Standards Trust' is "controlled" by 'CP'. Taken from the MST's own website:


The Board
The Media Standards Trust is governed by a board comprising respected figures from civil society and the media. The board meets four times a year to decide on the overall strategy for the MST.

Deputy Chair: Julia Middleton | CEO, Common Purpose




According to the same site, "Sir David Bell resigned his Chairmanship of the Media Standards Trust when he was appointed to the Leveson Inquiry."

Sir David Bell is also a trustee of 'Common Purpose'!!!!!:
http://www.commonpurpose.org.uk/about/governance/david-bell

Other notable names on the MST that are linked to 'CP' include BBC financial expert Robert Peston. From the official 'CP' site... a quote from Peston:

“ Common Purpose has for years done brilliant work in forging valuable links between the private, public and voluntary sectors. And it has helped to make better citizens of individuals and institutions.”
http://www.mycommonpurposeexperience.org/

Now... when the government first announced who'd appear on the panel of the Leveson inquiry, Sir David Bell wasn't the only 'CP' member involved. There was also the director of 'Liberty' Shami Chakrabarti...
http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/p...es-final-hacking-inquiry-details/

This is what Chakrabarti had to say about 'CP' (from their official site):

"It's the compromises you make that will most decide your brand. This is what we will be judged on. The real art is to know what to make concessions on; when to make them - and when not to. What's a good compromise and what's a bad one. I suspect that history probably judges you by your bad ones."
http://www.commonpurpose.org.uk/e...erclass-series/masterclass-quotes


Shami Chakrabarti



Robert Peston



Now... the board of trustees of the MST doesn't include many media organisations with the exception of Peston (BBC), and Amelia Fawcett ('The Guardian Media Group').

Now... this is veeeery relevant.

'The Guardian'...
Would this be the same 'Guardian' that sparked off the entire hack-gate/Murdoch/'News International' scandal after it broke the story of the hacking of Milly Dowler's voicemail back in July last year? The very same scandal that then led to the Leveson inquiry under the auspices of 'CP'?
Would this be the same Amelia Fawcett incidentally who appeared at a 'CP' "masterclass" event in 2009?...

Amelia Fawcett on leadership (from the Common Purpose Masterclash event, Spring 2009)
Part1:
Link


Part2:

Part3:

Again, from 'StopCP.com'...

The Guardian newspaper broke the story of the hacking of Milly Dowler's voicemail on 4th July 2011.
The Media Standards Trust was quick off the mark, setting up hackinginquiry.org on 5th July 2011. The domain name 'hackinginquiry.org' had been registered a couple of weeks previously on 15th June 2011, with the Media Standards Trust itching for a public inquiry into hacking.



Would this be the same 'Guardian' that yesterday featured this 'Open Letter' as one of their main stories (in the light of the 'coming out' of Lord McAlpine and his public condemnation of how the media is all over the paedophilia / Savile allegations)?... Is it 'coincidence' that 'The Guardian' chose to run with this story yesterday??... After all - it didn't have to run with this yesterday...

How should the press be regulated?
After eight months, 650 witnesses and 6,000 pages of evidence submitted to the Leveson inquiry, we can be clear about two things. Firstly, that a free press is essential for a free society. Secondly, that there are fundamental weaknesses in the current model of self-regulation which cannot be ignored (Prejudging the judge, 2 November). No one wants our media controlled by the government but, to be credible, any new regulator must be independent of the press as well as from politicians. We are concerned that the current proposal put forward by the newspaper industry would lack independence and risks being an unstable model destined to fail, like previous initiatives over the past 60 years. These concerns are shared by the NUJ.

We agree with the prime minister that obsessive argument about the principle of statutory regulation can cloud the debate. Instead we must do what is necessary to create a genuinely independent system. The defamation bill is currently going through parliament with the support of all parties and the newspaper industry. This proves that, when people try, it is possible to make sensible changes to the law.

We should also keep some perspective: the introduction of the Legal Services Board in statute has not compromised the independence of the legal profession. The Jimmy Savile scandal was exposed by ITV and the Winterbourne View care home scandal was exposed by the BBC, both of which are regulated by the Broadcasting Act. While no one is suggesting similar laws for newspapers, it is not credible to suggest that broadcasters such as Sky News, ITV or the BBC have their agenda dictated by the government of the day.

The worst excesses of the press have stemmed from the fact that the public interest defence has been too elastic and, all too often, has meant whatever editors wanted it to mean. To protect both robust journalism and the public, it is now essential to establish a single standard for assessing the public interest test which can be applied independently and consistently.

The prime minister was right to set up the Leveson inquiry. While it has been uncomfortable for both politicians and the press, it also represents a once-in-a-generation opportunity to put things right. Parliament must not duck the challenge.
Lord Fowler, Sir Malcolm Rifkind, Caroline Spelman, George Eustice, Penny Mordaunt, Nadhim Zahawi, Zac Goldsmith, Robert Buckland, Andrew Bingham, Adam Afriyie, Neil Parish, Rehman Chishti, Brian Binley, Jackie Doyle-Price, Stephen Metcalfe, Oliver Colvile, Mike Weatherly, Sheryll Murray, Claire Perry, Gary Streeter, Gareth Johnson, James Morris, George Freeman, Andrea Leadsom, Marcus Jones, Bob Stewart, Nicholas Soames, Guto Bebb, Geoffrey Cox, Crispin Blunt, Angela Watkinson, Gerald Howarth, David Morris, Mark Garnier, Mark Field, Henry Bellingham, Gavin Barwell, Jesse Norman, Chris Skidmore, Nicola Blackwood, Paul Uppal, Simon Hart, Lord Ryder (Richard)

• I found myself bemused by the Guardian's editorial suggesting that Lord Justice Leveson ought to favour the regulatory solution proposed by the newspaper industry itself, the so-called Hunt-Black plan.

My phone was hacked by the News of the World in 2006 and, while the offences against me are minor compared to the suffering of other (ordinary, non-celebrity) victims, it troubles me that the Guardian, of all papers, should assume that another round of self-regulation similar to the failed Press Complaints Commission should be sufficient to remedy the many ills exposed in the Leveson inquiry.

The key test for public acceptability of a new regulator is that it really is independent of the newspaper bosses who encouraged the phone-hacking culture in the first place, and then tried to bury the scandal while you were busy exposing it. A regulator whose independence and powers were fixed in law could help to prevent others becoming victims of unwarranted press intrusion. I urge you to reconsider your position.

Benedict Grant Noakes

London

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2...s-cons-statutory-regulation-press



More about it here too ('BBC News' - November 9th 2012)... (by the way... notice the recurring presence here of 'The Guardian' and the 'BBC'? - Both of which are connected to 'CP'?)...

Prominent Conservatives urge 'genuinely independent' press regulation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20264063



Now... another media publication jumped into this debate yesterday.... 'The New Statesman.'

Phillip Schofield's List shows the danger of treating internet rumours as news
Sometimes big stories can be ignored by news organisations because there is corruption, and sometimes because they simply can’t be stood up. So when did we start putting so much trust in Twitter rumours and David Icke?
“It took a momentary, cursory glance at the internet,” said Phillip Schofield, explaining the list of suspected paedophiles he handed over to David Cameron yesterday.

Schofield’s List made good television, as the presenter dramatically handed over the names on a This Morning branded card. But it didn’t make sense. And it wasn’t good journalism.

This was the moment when internet rumours and "cursory glances" became good enough. What did it achieve, this handing over of names from a few websites? It didn’t tell Cameron anything he didn’t already know; but it did make This Morning the biggest story of the day.

In the fallout from the Jimmy Savile revelations, there’s been a growing hubbub about suspected paedophile stories. There are several strands: delving into the murky past of light entertainers; looking at the sinister-sounding connections between Savile, the police and powerful people; and occasionally tying everything together into a giant conspiracy.

Normally rational internet folk have been linking to the likes of David Icke, suggesting that a man with an outlandishly unrealistic worldview could be near to the truth with this particular conspiracy theory. Names of former Prime Ministers have been dragged up and linked to paedophilia. Former ministers have been accused. Links to freemasonry, serial killers and the occult have been made. It is an overwhelming, astonishing story, if true.

If true.

But where is the evidence, the real evidence?  



Full article here:
http://www.newstatesman.com/polit...er-treating-internet-rumours-news



What makes this interesting, is that 'The New Statesman' is a publication launched, financed and steered by yet another social-engineering think-tank, 'The Fabian Society'...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Statesman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
http://www.fabians.org.uk/about/the-fabian-story/
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/futurecalling2.pdf

The Fabian Society Exposed

Link




Again... 'coincidence'? This story also appeared (November 8th 2012)... taken from 'The Guardian' (again!!!)...

David Elstein calls for breakup of BBC news in wake of Jimmy Savile scandal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2...08/david-elstein-bbc-jimmy-savile


With regards to 'CP', 'Hacked-Off' and the MST... it's clear the Rothschild dynasty is steering this all (a theory I put forward in an old post on the old forum, but which doesn't need to be repeated for this particular post).

OKAY...

NEWS JUST IN!

John Whttingdale - the chair of the Media Select Committee that led the investigation into 'Hack-Gate' - has just appeared on 'SkyNews'. He told the news-announcer (after being questioned about his views on the internet's role in breaking the Savile / paedophilia / McAlpine info) that it was unacceptable it had done so. He also criticised Philip Schofield. Paraphraisng here (again)... he said, "he (Schofield) handed over that list... to the Prime Minister!!!" (Shock! Horror! How dare he!!).
Now... would this be the same Prime Minister who courted Rebecca Brooks (i.e. a trading of very flirtatious text-messages, and who both share a very close, intimate, old relationship)? Surely - if Whittingdale should be criticising any one for their conduct - it should be Cameron - not Schofield.

By the way.. is this the same Whittingdale who - according to 'Wikipedia' - "was accused of warning members of the committee not to compel former News of the World editor Rebekah Brooks to testify due to the risk that their personal lives would be investigated in revenge, but has strongly denied the accusation."?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Whittingdale


This does not bode well, guys... these guys are in each others' pockets and looking out for each other. This has NOTHING to do with protecting the rights of individuals against the Press... the battle-lines are being drawn against US.


Now... as I've hinted on this thread before... although I was initially heartened by Tom Watson's speech in parliament regarding a paedophile-ring reaching up to 10 Downing Street, I was also uneasy due to the fact that he is a vocal and active supporter of 'Hacked Off' and the Leveson enquiry. Actually... according to 'Wikipedia,' Watson "won the New Statesman New Media Award in the category of elected representative for using his weblog to further the democratic process" in 2004 (my God... these 'connections' just keep on coming!).

Now that Lord McAlpine has come forward and sparked the latest (but very subtle) media onslaught against the 'Alternative' internet community and those in the mainstream media who were beginning to highlight abuses in care-homes (and the alleged involvement of high-ranking figures), Watson is being attacked - and even being blamed for the current situation that led to this.

Taken from 'The Spectator'... November 9th 2012...

Rob Wilson attacks Tom Watson on child abuse claims
After Lord McAlpine’s statement this morning about the allegations and rumours of child abuse surrounding the Tory peer and other figures, Tory MP Rob Wilson has gone on the warpath and written a stern letter to Tom Watson, who first raised the possibility of a paedophile ring linked to Number 10. Wilson doesn’t hold back in the letter:

"MPs can and do play a vital role in bringing such matters to public attention. However, as a result of your repeated and sensationalist public claims of the involvement in abuse of a ‘senior aide of a former Prime Minister’, ‘a former cabinet minister’, and alleged abuse taking place in ‘Downing Street’, several people who vigorously protest their innocence have been widely named on the internet as paedophiles. I am sure you understand the effect on their lives of such allegations, if untrue. Some of them have been besieged by the media, causing distress to their families and neighbours.

‘As I am sure you agree, unfounded allegations could lead to innocent lives being damaged – or even destroyed. So, in the interests of the innocent, I am asking you to exercise caution and be sure that you can fully substantiate allegations yourself before making them in public. I fully respect your motives, but it is important that you do not add to unsubstantiated rumours by publicly repeating them."

He instructs Watson to take any further information to the police. Wilson has also written to Ofcom to complain about Newsnight’s broadcast last Friday, asking whether Ofcom ‘believes there may be grounds for investigating whether the BBC did in fact give the man against whom these allegations were being made an appropriate and timely opportunity to respond before the episode of Newsnight was broadcast’. He also asks whether Ed Richards, chief executive of Ofcom, believes there is a loophole in the Ofcom broadcasting code which allows broadcasters to step around its fairness requirements. In a third letter to BBC Trust Chairman Lord Patten, Wilson asks for more details on the commissioning process of the Newsnight investigation and whether the journalists involved approached the politician their report referred to.

Watson has adopted these allegations about ‘Tory paedophiles’ as his next crusade following the phone hacking scandal, and has already suggested that the backlash against the social media mob is not dissimilar to the refusal of many commentators and politicians to accept that phone hacking was as widespread as it turned out to be. He has also been making links to an ongoing row about the Church of England and child abuse in Eastbourne, suggesting that investigating cover-ups of child abuse is going to be a long-term project for him, no matter what Rob Wilson says.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coff...-tom-watson-on-child-abuse-claims


Full letter here:
http://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/files...letter-to-Tom-Watson-09-11-12.pdf



So... taking into account the fact that Watson is a supporter of Leveson... was he merely (as I suspected) a gate-keeper? Was is it his role to act as the instigator in order to breed the current mainstream media rumpus and debate going on this very day as I type this regarding the publication of names of high-profile politicians that are being listed by Alternative bloggers and researchers on the internet and that have been explored by some mainstream journalists too?
I mean... let's be honest. These names didn't suddenly appear on the 'net (as the mainstream media would like us to believe). They've been there for years and years?
Here's a thought...

The Savile scandal refuses to go away. With each passing day, more and more revelations have bubbled up into the mainstream - thanks mostly to the Alternative media. Now... any high-ranking political figure past and present (who's involved in this cess-pit) will be shitting their pants, just dreading that day their name will be thrust into the spotlight.
Perhaps Tom Watson has been 'placed' there to play the role of peoples' champion? Perhaps even to garner hope and support from the Alternative community (i.e. Truth-Seekers)? However... in reality, he's muddying the waters, steering the debate?
As the article above suggests, Watson has been blamed for the recent claims made against Lord McAlpine by former abuse victim Steven Messham.
Well... perhaps that's what Watson was there to do all along? Furthermore, aside from this, the current debate taking place in the mainstream is less to do with paedophilia and the abuse of children, and more focused on the conduct of the media (most notably, the internet). And this - just a few weeks away from Leveson's enquiry-report (findings - suggestions) are due to be published!

Coincidence??!!!

Guys... the pressure is 'on'!

Now ... regarding Messham.

He's back-tracked on his earlier claims regarding McAlpine and has apologised.

Taken from 'WalesOnline' (November 9th 2012)...

Steve Messham, who appeared on Newsnight, was reported on the BBC saying: "I want to offer my sincere and humble apologies to him and his family. After seeing a picture in the past hour of the individual concerned, this is not the person I identified by photograph presented to me by the police in the early 1990s, who told me the man in the photograph was Lord McAlpine."

After days of frenzied speculation, earlier today the peer released a statement vehemently denying that he abused Mr Messham or any other residents of a children’s home in Wrexham.

He said he had visited Wrexham “only once” and that was in the company of an agent from Conservative Central Office.

“I have never been to the children’s home in Wrexham, nor have I ever visited any children’s home, reform school or any other institution of a similar nature,” he said.

“I have never stayed in a hotel in or near Wrexham, I did not own a Rolls Royce, have never had a ’Gold card’ or ’Harrods card’ and never wear aftershave, all of which have been alleged.

“I did not sexually abuse Mr Messham or any other residents of the children’s home in Wrexham.”



Full story here:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news...abuse-allegations-91466-32200258/




Weird.. is it not?
Messham says the police told him the photograph he was asked to look at was a photo of McAlpine.

What??!!!

What???!!!

So... let's assume Messham's correct.
The next obvious question to ask is - why or how did that happen?

Look... I don't want to make presumptions - after all, more info is bound to come to light regarding this, but, to me, this is just too ridiculous to take seriously.
However shoddy the police might be... could this seriously happen? ... The wrong photograph? Additionally - if I'd have been abused by a former high-ranking, well-known political figure, wouldn't I have (in later years) seen (or searched for) a photograph of this man on the internet and discovered that it wasn't the man I thought it was? How come it's taken Messham 30-odd years to realise - or in fact check to see - it wasn't the same man? According to that story, he only bothered to look as recently as a few days ago! Come ooon!

Any way... according to this story from 'The Mirror' "three victims" named the same "Tory bigwig" (including Messham). Were the other two victims shown the same photographs? What does Messham have to say about this?...

(November 4th 2012)...

Paedophile scandal: Three victims name Tory bigwig as one of their abusers
Three victims of the North Wales care home abuse scandal named a Tory ­grandee as one of their abusers, the Sunday People can reveal.

The man – a senior political ­figure in the Thatcher era – is ­alleged to have arrived in a ­chauffeur-driven car to abuse boys at a notorious children’s home.

Experts believe this could be just the tip of the iceberg, as pressure grows for a major police ­investigation into what could be the biggest network of paedophiles ever uncovered in Britain.

Sources say the abuse scandal has far-reaching implications, with links to almost every area of public life including government.

Victim Steven Messham, 51, told the BBC’s Newsnight team he was raped by a senior politician while he was in care at the Bryn Estyn home in Wrexham, North Wales.

A second witness is also ­understood to have named the grandee, but has since disappeared. The third confirmed witness  
has died.




Full story here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...name-1416158#.UJ1iL-EydfY.twitter




So - apart from Messham - there were two other witnesses... one's dead and the other's "disappeared", and now Messham's retracted and closed his mouth.

I'LL LEAVE IT THERE (I think you can come up with your own conclusion).


By the way... This is interesting....  (i.e. a life of victimisation for trying to expose paedophilia)?...

Taken from 'BBC News' (April 19th 2005)...

Abuse campaigner to sue police
North Wales Police is facing legal action from a campaigner against child abuse who claims the force has not returned his property.
Steven Messham, 42, from Buckley, was cleared of false accounting at Chester Crown Court in January this year.

Mr Messham claims items seized by officers at the time of his arrest have still not been returned to him.

A judge at Chester County Court has granted North Wales Police an extra 42 days to prepare a defence.

Mr Messham was arrested in 2001 on suspicion of making false claims to receive £33,000 in housing, income and council tax benefits between 1995 and 2000.

In January this year he was acquitted of five counts of false accounting by a jury at Chester Crown Court.

But Mr Messham has alleged that property including a computer, personal papers and his house keys have not been returned to him.

On Monday, a judge at Chester County Court granted North Wales Police an extra 42 days to prepare a defence.

The judge refused the force's application for costs for the hearing.

In the 1990s Mr Messham had been a leading campaigner in the setting up of a public inquiry into child abuse in care homes after he himself had been a victim as a youngster.

Mr Messham also helped set up Norwas (North Wales Abuse Survivors) which helped counsel victims of abuse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/4458681.stm


So.. it seems Messham is no stranger to the pressure of 'The Man.'


By the way... any one recall those news-reports a week or so ago claiming that the police were "days away" from arresting high-level and well-known figures?

Well?

I'm waiting.

Any way...

there you have it.

A very long post. I hope you don't mind, but I just had to get that off my chest.

No doubt I'll add more at a later stage.


I'll leave you with this from 'StopCP.com'...

A correspondent writes:

"The most senior members of Common Purpose, and its supporters, are in the controlling positions with the MST.

There are proven links with Common Purpose to fraud, paedophilia, insider dealing, criminal breaches of data protection laws, and abuse of the Freedom of Information Act to maintain secrecy.

It beggars belief that the MST should promote itself in a case of breaches of the Data Protection Act ( the hacking scandal ) when Common Purpose, whose members are in positions of influence, interest and control within MST, have themselves been proven guilty of illegally collecting and collating the personal details of citizens, without their prior knowledge and consent, and then secretly distributing these details nationally, with a cover note lambasting them with false accusations.

The MST is heavily involved in a campaign to usurp the PCC, and is currently using the moral high ground to do so. However, their foundations are on sand.

You may also wish to have a look at the finances of the MST, and see whether they are up to date with regards registering with the Charity Commission or Company House.

From what can be adduced about the MST, an independent observer could not be criticised for concluding that the MST is but one device within a larger network, and that the MST's real agenda concerns the control of the flow of information to the public, in keeping with the agenda of Common Purpose."

http://www.stopcp.com/cpmediacontrol.php



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jackchit

Epic post Angry, excellent info..
I've come to the conclusion that messham has been 'got at' or paid off.

It stinks
direk

absolutely spot on post angryhead. really well put together info.i fully agree with all of that.

on the 'this morning' thing i feel that was 100% staged.That was no surprise to anybody there.the pm definitely had the answer pre-scripted.schofield was probably lined up as the perfect patsy.he's not exactly known for his hard hitting questioning and investigative journalism is he? now he's just decided to take on the PM!!! nah,i'm not having it! this morning would also have been chosen specifically because of the inanity of it's average audience.
it's all just another stage of the big fabian masterplan(that you have just excellently shone a light on) and they really are ramping up the pressure now! for me,these are ominous times.i fear our days (of freeposting) are numbered.

the more times these connections(fabian/guardian/commonpurpose/MST/levison/bbc etc.) are pointed out and dug up the better i think and in as many places so PLEASE keep up the good digging work.while we still can!!

on gressham-

'Steve Messham, who appeared on Newsnight, was reported on the BBC saying:...'

was REPORTED as saying? has he actually been on tv again or been interviewed since changing his story?
JAY

BBC under attack for wrongly accusing ex-politician
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/11/271523/attack/

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:18AM GMT

Britain’s state-run BBC has been struggling to contain damage after one of its news programs aired a mistaken allegation that a senior Tory MP sexually abused children.

The BBC had already made an apology on Friday 9 November for airing mistaken sex abuse allegations against senior Tory MP Lord McAlpine, but on Saturday, the Broadcaster’s director general George Entwistle told his own journalists that he did not know about the sex abuse report in advance.

Chairman of parliament’s powerful media committee John Whittingdale said, "I listened to the director general with increasing disbelief, the level of failure of management at every level within the BBC, up to and including the director general, is just extraordinary."

The BBC and its management have been under lots of pressure since an opposition broadcaster revealed last month that the previous TV star for the BBC, Jimmy Savile, sexually abused young women over a 40 year period and that members of the channel covered up the crimes.

Coincidently, the same BBC news program ‘Newsnight’, which aired mistaken sex abuse allegations against McAlpine, dropped an investigation into the notorious activities of Savile, which led to a wide mistrust of the broadcaster from its viewers.

Savile, one of the most recognizable stars on British television between the 1970s and 80s, is claimed to have sexually abused over 300 people, mostly underage girls.

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Anonymous / Nov 11, 2012 6:57 AM

do you remember when bbc and ofcom helped to revoke press tv's licence,well,how does is it feel now!!!


NadePaul / Nov 11, 2012 6:17 AM

PressTV more honest than BBC. More honest than FOX FNC, CNN ZNN, and MSNBC.


Anonymous / Nov 11, 2012 5:18 AM

perhaps it wasn't wrongly accusing? spilled the bean??


Mindless Sheepin reply to Anonymous / 11/11/2012 6:33:08 AM

NO it is designed to fail to discredit future stories. This story is an intentional HOAX. They are setting up pasties that will automatically be discredited in order to make future allegations against the real perps look like a farce. A "red herring" in a sense. Don't fall for this. The REAL perps are scared out of their minds right now. These tricks don't work anymore, don't fall for it. We are coming for them.
direk

'setting up pasties'  Smilie_PDT
direk

sunday politics show on bbc1 that andrew neil guy really going in on the point about the people being falsely accused.whilst interviewing harriet harman.yes the harriet harman who campaigned for the lowering of the age of consent,legalisation of child porn etc.
i turned over after a few minutes to go and find a sick bucket!!  Crying or Very sad
Angryhead

Thanks guys!

Hey! - You know? - I'm not suggesting that my last post is 100% 'on the ball,' but there's some interesting info and facts there that connect together rather nicely. Enough to take seriously perhaps?

By the way direk. I appreciate your views on Schofield and it definitely gave me reason to think more about all of this. For example, Messham's climbdown, Lord McAlpine's threats to sue, the mainstream media's about-turn this weekend, the subtle attacks against the internet community who've been researching this issue for years - all originates from Cameron's appearance on 'This Morning.' As for Schofield?... here's a thought... it's possible he wasn't willingly complicit in this. After all - if I'm not mistaken - TV and radio presenters are sometimes given suggestions (or orders) by the editors/producers/directors of a programme before they go out to broadcast on any day (to some extent, I know this from my own experiences - although not from such dizzy heights  Smilie_PDT ). It's possible he was told to hand over the card of names and, as a result, unwittingly became a patsy? It's possible, I s'pose (although I've absolutely no difficulty in accepting the idea that he was up for it).

As for Harriet Harman? I never saw the interview with Andrew Neil, but it was reported on by the 'MailOnline' yesterday. Doesn't seem she's keen on the claims by Watson (no surprise there then?)...

Harman distances herself from Tom Watson's claims that aide to former Tory PM ran 'powerful paedophile network'
Harriet Harman yesterday distanced herself from explosive claims by a senior Labour MP that an aide to a former Tory prime minister was involved in a 'powerful paedophile network' while working in Downing Street.
Labour's deputy leader repeatedly refused to say whether the party's deputy chairman Tom Watson was 'justified' in making claims about a senior Tory's alleged involvement in child abuse, which sparked a frenzy of speculation on the internet.
'He thinks it has justified the claim he has made,' she said.
Tory critics claim Mr Watson's decision to raise the issue in Parliament rather than discussing it privately with the police has led to the 'smearing' of a number of senior Conservatives on the internet.
Mr Watson used Parliamentary privilege last month to claim in the Commons that he was aware of 'clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to Parliament and No 10'.
He spoke of a 'senior aide to a former prime minister' being involved.
His allegations are thought to be different from those made by the disastrous Newsnight investigation which led to false claims about the former Tory treasurer Lord McAlpine.
On the BBC's Sunday Politics show yesterday, presenter Andrew Neil asked Miss Harman if she agreed it was important that 'people don't make wild and unsubstantiated accusations that result in senior people being accused of things which are wholly false ... and the kind of accusations Tom Watson made has encouraged that'.

Miss Harman replied: 'Well he didn't make any mention of any names.'
But Mr Neil said Mr Watson's claims had 'immediately encouraged massive Twitter speculation – names came into the frame with not a scintilla of evidence'.

Miss Harman hesitated and then replied: 'I am afraid I cannot say, having not seen the information, whether it will turn out that that was justified.'
Mr Watson did not respond to phone calls yesterday.
But in an open letter to the Tory MP Rob Wilson, he said that in raising the matter with the Prime Minister he hoped to ensure the police were aware of 'clear intelligence held by them that would warrant a second look'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...le-network.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



Well... whilst on the subject of Harman - and in particular, P.I.E. ('Paedophile Information Exchange')... I'd like you - if you can - to cast your mind back to my last post when I referred to John Whittingdale - the Chair of the Media Select Committe that led the investigation into 'Hack-Gate' ('CP') and who appeared on the news over the weekend attacking the internet community for naming names...

Well... hold that thought... Now, read this...

Taken from 'The Mirror' (November 11th 2012)...

Abuse scandals probe widens: The man who may hold key to UK's biggest paedophile network ever
In the picturesque Dorset town of Sherborne, Charles Napier is an upstanding member of the community.

He is known as a respected retired languages teacher, a playwright and theatre director.

Only last month he gave a lecture on William Shakespeare at the town's literary festival.

But Napier's sordid past threatens to drag him into the heart of new inquiries into a child abuse scandal spanning three decades.

Evidence now being examined by Metropolitan Police detectives links Napier to Peter Righton, one of Britain's most high-profile paedophiles.

Righton is now long dead. But Napier is not. Now 68 and living with his mother in the West Country, he could prove a vital witness to the unfolding police inquiry into child abuse on a massive scale in this country.

Both men were linked to a shadowy organisation called the Paedophile Information Exchange which campaigned in the 70s and 80s for what they called the age of "child love" to be reduced to four.

Righton was a founder of PIE, Napier its one-time treasurer. Righton, incredibly, was also one of Britain's leading child protection specialists.

But when police raided his house in Evesham, Worcs, in 1992 they found not only hard-core child abuse images from Amsterdam but a "quarter-century of correspondence" between paedophiles in Britain and around the world.

The probe led police to the kitchen of a flat in South London where they found a letter from 'Napier - who had a child assault conviction 20 years before - boasting of his life in Cairo as a"British Council teacher.

He bragged of easy access toyoung boys and how he could sendObscene images back to Britain indiplomatic bags.

The scandal erupted again when Labour MP Tom Watson raised the matter with David Cameron in the House of Commons last month suggesting a network of paedophiles working in the UK had links to high levels of Government.

He believes there was an Establishment cover-up of the Righton files and his claims are now being investigated by a Scotland Yard team.

Since Mr Watson's first dramatic announcement, dozens of victims have come forward with allegations of shocking abuse by paedophiles at care homes across Britain.

This week, respected author and journalist Francis Wheen told the Sunday People how he was just 11 when Napier arrived at the school.

He says Napier, then in is 20s, charmed the youngsters with his sports car, dashing good looks and claims that he was a professional actor.

Mr Wheen said: "He recruited a few of us, saying 'spend more time in the gym' and appointed himself gym master. There was a room off the gym and that became his haunt.

"Four or five of us started regularly going down there, vaulting over horses and things like that, in our gym shorts in all our innocence.

"At the end of it he would take us into his room off the gym and give us beer and cigarettes - bottles of Mackeson's and Senior Service untipped.

"We thought this was terrifically exciting. Here we were, 11 years old, being given beer and fags - we were thinking he's on our side not like any of the other masters. cigarettes , nd king ot like asters.

"And of course this was for an ulterior purpose which very soon became clear when he stuck his hand down my gym shorts and I had to sort of fight him off."

Napier then revealed his terrifying technique for grooming the youngsters by trying to humiliate the 11-year-old Francis.

Mr Wheen said: "He said 'Don't be such a baby' and said I wasn't grown-up enough for that sort of thing. He would point to a couple of other boys, saying 'They let me do it. You just won't let me because you're so babyish.'

Francis Wheen "I think he was hoping I'd say 'no I'm as grown up as them' and let him get on with it but I didn't. It meant I was excluded from his 'charmed circle' after that - but by then I knew where he kept his beer and cigarettes so I used to break into his room, steal them and go sit in the woods.

"I could enjoy them without being sexually abused."

Mr Wheen also described the culture of silence that grew up around the assaults, with youngsters reluctant to report the teacher, feeling they wouldn't be believed.

He added: "A year or two after I left, my younger brother - who was still at the school - came back from holidays and told me Mr Napier had been sacked.

"At long last one boy who had been sexually molested had been innocent enough to go to the headmaster and report him.

In 1972, Napier was found to have indecently assaulted pupils at a Surrey school where he was working. After being banned from teaching, he left the country.

Napier later surfaced in Egypt, where he worked as the assistant head of studies with the British Council in Cairo.

A letter from the time saw him boast to a friend that the city was "full of boys, 98 per cent of them available".

Back in England, Napier was jailed for nine months in 1995 for sexually abusing a 14-year-old boy he'd lured to his home in the 80s.

He befriended the lad, enticing him with lager and computer games - then abused him.

Prosecutors said: "It wasn't just a stranger grabbing a boy in the park. This was a slow insidious process. The boy was trapped - not forced."

Righton, a founder member of PIE, was at one time the UK's leading authority on the protection of children.

Yet he used his power to not only hide his paedophilia, but to help other child abusers - among them Napier.

The latter's ban on teaching meant he was added to List 99, a precursor of the Sex Offenders' Register.

And Righton - the subject of a 1994 documentary on paedophiles - used his influence to try to have Napier removed from the list so he could be allowed back into schools.

Risk Righton wrote to the Department of Education saying: "Mr Napier is a gifted teacher of both adults and children.

"I believe that during the years since his conviction he has acquired a knowledge and disciplined mastery of himself which would justify the conclusion he no longer constitutes a sexual risk to children in his charge.

"It would give me great pleasure - and cause me no anxiety - to hear the Secretary of State had reviewed his decision of October 24, 1972, in Mr Napier's favour."

In 1981, the ban was relaxed to allow Napier into colleges and universities. In 1990 he applied for the ban to be further relaxed - this time enlisting Dr Malcolm Fraser as his referee.

Dr Fraser was convicted in 1992 for possessing indecent photographs of children. His third conviction saw him struck off - and Napier remained on the banned list.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...ndal-charles-napier-could-1430365



As I was coasting through 'the 'net' yesterday, I came across some very interesting info. Okay... credit where credit's due. I personally first came across it on the David Icke forum thanks to a poster by the name of 'tinfoilfascinator.' He/she had taken it from a comment posted on the 'Angirfan' website.
It read:

John Whittigdale's brother Charles Napier was treasurer of the Paedophile Information Exchange and has been convicted of several child sexual offences. Napier was a link between care homes and public school teachers. John Whittingdale is chair of the culture & media committee.

I tried to find out if I could locate the original source of this info, but... no luck. Eventually, I came across more about the claims on 'Aangirfan's' site. It's alleged to be from an article in 'The Times' back in '95. However, no link is posted alongside it, and despite efforts myself to locate this article (i.e. the original), I couldn't find it for love nor money.

Here it is:

Former teacher jailed for sex abuse of boys

Kathryn Knight

The Times, 2 September 1995

A former British Council worker who sexually abused boys at his home was sent to prison for nine months yesterday. Charles Napier, 48, a former teacher and half-brother of John Whittingdale, MP, who was a private secretary to Margaret Thatcher, was a treasurer of the Paedophile Information Exchange and had convictions for child abuse going back as far as 1972, Kingston Crown Court was told.
Napier found a job with the British Council in Cairo after being banned from teaching jobs in British schools after a conviction for indecent assault. He was sacked when British Council officials discovered the offences.
He admitted in a pre-sentence report that he was still sexually attracted to boys, and had also expressed continuing sexual feeling for children in a recent letter, the jury was told.
During the two-week trial, the jurors heard that Napier, who had denied to charges of indecent assault between 1982 and 1985, had lured young boys to his home in Thames Ditton, Surrey, with promises of boat trips and computer games.
One victim, now aged 25, said Napier had befriended him when he played truant and had later lured him into his bed before sexually assaulting him. Napier had also been given probation as far back as 1972 after being found guilty of similar offences against young children.
Judge Geoffrey Mercer said information showed Napier was a continuing threat to children. "It clearly shows the continuing sexual attraction towards boys and it is clear from the pre-sentence report that you do not deny that". He would have passed a "considerably greater" sentence had it not been for the fact that the offences had been committed before the maximum sentence had been increased to ten years.
Napier, who has been living abroad, was also ordered to pay £1,000 costs.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-waterhouse-cover-up.html



Believe me. 'They' appear to have made it very difficult to link Whittingdale and Napier.
There's no mention of Napier on Whittingdale's 'Wikipedia' page or anywhere else for that matter.
I wasn't going to give up, though.

After a time, I think I struck gold.

Now... don't forget. Napier is said to be Whittingdale's half-brother.

With a bit of 'Googling,' I found this ancestory page info:

Margaret Esmé Scott Napier1
F, #539157, b. 30 December 1920

Margaret Esmé Scott Napier was born on 30 December 1920. She is the daughter of Brigadier Arthur Francis Scott Napier and Phyllis Grace Fleming.2 She and Captain Ephraim Stewart Cook Spence were divorced.1 She married John Whittingdale. She married Captain Ephraim Stewart Cook Spence on 18 May 1942.1 She married Alexander Napier, son of Archibald Scott Napier and Katherine Edith Liveing, on 21 September 1946.1      
Spence.1 FRCS).1 Her married name became Whittingdale. She was married 3rd John Whittingdale, Fellow, Royal College of Surgeons (F.R.C.S.) (died 1974), s of John Flasby Lawrance Whittingdale, BA, MB, of Wharton, Sherborne, and by him has: on 30 December 1957.1

Child of Margaret Esmé Scott Napier and Alexander Napier

Charles Scott Napier2 b. 1 Jul 1947

Child of Margaret Esmé Scott Napier and John Whittingdale

John Flasby Lawrance Whittingdale+2 b. 16 Oct 1959


Citations
[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 2862. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.





Is the John Flasby Lawrance Whittingdale above (born October 1959) the same John Whittingdale MP (i.e. chair of Media Select Committe) born in 1959 according to 'Wikipedia'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Whittingdale


The Napier and Whittingdale listed above are half-brothers.

Also... more about 'Charles Napier'...

Charles Scott Napier1
M, #539171, b. 1 July 1947


Last Edited=1 Apr 2012
    Charles Scott Napier was born on 1 July 1947.1 He is the son of Alexander Napier and Margaret Esmé Scott Napier.2
    He graduated in 1969 with a Wellington and Exeter U Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) ).1

Citations
[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 2862. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.




I haven't been able to find out the age of the Charles Napier that was arrested in the 'Mirror' story (which in itself is odd - as I was taught during my media days that the name, age and regional address of an arrested person should always be included in news stories for legal reasons / so as not to confuse one Charles Napier - for example - with another. Who knows? Maybe the law's changed?). However - in the 'Mirror' story, it mentions that Napier is "a respected retired languages teacher, a playwright and theatre director." If you look at the above ancestory info, that particular Charles Napier, "graduated in 1969 with a Wellington and Exeter U Bachelor of Arts."


http://www.thepeerage.com/p53916.htm#i539157

http://www.thepeerage.com/p54732.htm#i547320

http://www.thepeerage.com/p53918.htm#i539171




John Whittingdale



Okay... here's another BBC Radio1 figure to be hauled into the controversy...

Taken from 'The Telegraph' (November 11th 2012)...

'I know how Lord McAlpine feels' says ex-BBC producer arrested for sex abuse
Wilfred De’ath, 75, was arrested at his bedsit flat in Cambridge at around 7.15am as part of the police investigation into child abuse by Jimmy Savile.
“Now I realise how Lord McAlpine must feel," he said.
Mr De’ath, was held for around five hours at a Parkside police station in Cambridge before he was freed on police bail and taken back to his home pending further inquiries.
It is believed the arrest occurred after an actress, who cannot be named for legal reasons, spotted him on ITV's documentary into Jimmy Savile last month and contacted police.
He is the third to be held as part of Operation Yewtree, the Metropolitan Police inquiry into the claims. But today he said it was a case of mistaken identity.

He said that a middle aged actress had seen him on the documentary and had told police that she had recognised him as a man who had abused her in a cinema when she was aged about 14 in 1965.
Mr De'ath said he had admitted to police that he had briefly met her at a house party in north London at around 1965, but he denied assaulting her or taking her to a cinema.

"I was never in a cinema with this young lady so it must have been someone else who assaulted her. I think she has made a mistake.
"Now I realise how Lord McAlpine must feel. Deep down I feel quite indignant. To be falsely accused of something you have not done is very unpleasant.
"As David Cameron has said, it is like a witch hunt that is going on and I feel like a victim. I have got to see a lawyer to talk about suing the police for wrongful arrest. I am happy to talk about is as I have nothing to hide. I have a clear conscience
"The police told me that she had claimed I had taken her a cinema for a press preview of a film at around 10am in 1965.
"But the only time I ever saw this young lady was at this party. It is true that I did go to press shows - but that was only after I got a job as a film reviewer for the Illustrated London News in 1968.
"It meant I only went to these shows three years after this assault was supposed to have happened. Even then I never took a girl to a press show. The dates simply do not add up.
"Also the film which I was supposed to have taken her was also one I had never seen. I was alleged to have groped her in the cinema - but it didn't happen."

Mr De’ath, a producer of Savile’s on the BBC radio shoe Teen Scene, has lived for the last ten years in a one bedroom second floor flat in a housing association block in Cambridge.
In his autobiography 'Uncommon Criminal' published in 2008, Mr De'ath described himsef as a 'sexual predator' who had 'targeted' the actresses Susanna York, Julie Christie, and Charlotte Rampling. He admitted to being a voyeur and claimed to have 'lifelong twin obsessions with sex and religion.'
He claimed he was recruited by MI5 to befriend a Russian spy at an orgy and maintained that he discovered Kenny Everett.

He said: “I know for a fact that Jimmy spent a night in a rather squalid hotel with a girl who was at the most 12, or probably 10, and I said to him, ‘Jimmy you are living dangerously. Surely you must realise you're living dangerously?’
“All he said was, ‘Oh no no no. I’m much too valuable to the BBC for them to do anything to me.
“He didn’t think anything could happen. And nothing did happen. Nobody grassed on him in any way, although we all knew.”
The arrest is the third made in Operation Yewtree, following former pop start Gary Glitter – real name Paul Gadd – and comedian Freddie Starr.
Starr, 69, from Warwickshire, was arrested on suspicion of sexual offences.
He has consistently denied any involvement in the alleged abuse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/u...ducer-arrested-for-sex-abuse.html



Notice in the above story how every person who's noted as having been arrested is referred to by their name, age and region where they live? So... why wasn't Napier's age given? What's the reason? ... To muddy the tracks maybe?

Whilst on the subject of "muddying"...

The attacks on Messham have begun...

From the 'MailOnline' (November 11th 2012)...

A victim of his delusions: Astonishing story the BBC DIDN'T tell you about its troubled star witness
The former care home resident who falsely claimed he was sexually abused by former Tory party chairman Lord McAlpine was exposed as an ‘unreliable’ witness whom no jury would believe almost 20 years ago, a Mail on Sunday investigation has revealed.
We can show that those responsible for the controversial Newsnight story based on Steven Messham’s claims misrepresented crucial facts, and either failed to check or wilfully ignored alarming information  available in official records. The Mail on Sunday has established:

*Newsnight failed to say that Messham triggered a 1994 libel trial by falsely claiming to have been abused by a senior police officer. His story was shown to be riddled with contradictions, costing the  publications which reported his claims a total of £375,000 in damages and £1 million costs.

*Messham physically attacked a lawyer at the Waterhouse public inquiry into sexual abuse in North Wales. He screamed obscenities at the barrister who was questioning him, leapt out of the witness box, and threw punches at him.

*Documents proved some of Messham’s evidence to the inquiry to be false. Although Sir Ronald Waterhouse concluded that Messham had experienced abuse, he described him as ‘an unreliable witness’ who was unlikely to be trusted by any jury – a conclusion also reached by the Crown Prosecution Service.

*Even Messham’s lawyer concedes he may be ‘disturbed’ and that he may have made up some of his claims.

*In 2004, Angus Stickler, the reporter behind this month’s Newsnight story, was publicly criticised for interviewing Messham on Radio 4 without mentioning he was facing charges of defrauding a charity he ran for alleged abuse victims. Messham was later acquitted.

*In 2005, Messham was also cleared of a £33,000 benefits fraud. He admitted concealing savings of £40,000 – a result of compensation for the alleged abuse – when he made claims for income support and housing benefit, but insisted he had not intended to be dishonest.

*Newsnight’s key claim that Messham was prevented from naming Lord McAlpine and other supposed paedophiles at the Waterhouse inquiry was clearly untrue. Transcripts show Messham could say whatever he liked about anyone he chose – and that he did so with  abandon over his two weeks of testimony, during which time he did allege that a man referred to only as ‘McAlpine’ had abused him.

Errors from the start
Messham’s evidence about abuse at the Bryn Estyn care home in Wrexham has been unreliable from the start.  He was even wrong about how long he spent at Bryn Estyn.
According to a police statement in March 1992, he said: ‘I stayed there between three and four years.’ In fact, records show, he was there for 20 months, from September 1977 until May 1979.
After newspapers began to allege that Bryn Estyn was the scene of widespread abuse in 1991, prompting a massive police inquiry, Messham made the first in a series of statements about his time at Bryn Estyn, and alleged abuse that he  suffered after he left.
In his first police statement, on March 30, 1992, he said he was physically assaulted by three people, indecently assaulted by two male care workers, Peter Howarth and Stephen Norris, and that two female care workers had sex with him. Both Howarth and Norris subsequently stood trial and were convicted.
Two days after Messham gave his first police statement, his wife committed suicide, leaving him to care for their three-month-old daughter. It was at this period of great vulnerability that he became a major  figure in the North Wales inquiry.
Thirteen years after leaving Bryn Estyn, he made further statements in April, August, September and October 1992, in February 1993, and then again regularly until 1997.
His allegations changed from one statement to the next. The Mail on Sunday has examined them, and the number of episodes of abuse he claimed to have suffered rose with each successive statement.

Witness with no credibility
By the time he gave evidence to the Waterhouse inquiry, which ran from 1997 to 2000, he said he had been sexually abused by 49 men and women, and physically abused by a further 26. His claims should have been treated with diminishing credibility. Indeed, there are many allegations against people who were never charged because – as Waterhouse pointed out – his evidence was not considered plausible enough.

The Waterhouse report stated that, in March 1993, the Crown Prosecution Service concluded that ‘reliance ought not to be placed on [his] evidence for the purpose of prosecuting any alleged abuser.’
Thanks in part to Messham’s allegations, Bryn Estyn has become a byword for abuse, with claims resurfacing in the wake of revelations about Jimmy Savile.
But the police method of ‘trawling’ former residents, many of whom had long criminal records, and inviting them to make allegations – has long been recognised as risky. In 2002, the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee warned  such a process was liable to create miscarriages of justice, and that some people had made false allegations in the hope of being paid large sums in compensation.
Gwen Hurst, a former Bryn Estyn teacher, said the accepted picture of life there was far from the truth. ‘If this abuse was going on, the boys would have had so many opportunities to tell so many people,’ she said. ‘There were council employees, social workers and tradespeople in and out of the school all the time.
‘All this is costing the country millions. And it has exacted a terrible toll on the school staff. Twenty years we’ve had of this.’
Of all the allegations made by Messham and others, it was the heinous accusations against Lord McAlpine that were the most sensational.
Despite Newsnight’s inaccurate assertions, these claims were aired in detail at the Waterhouse inquiry, in which the name ‘McAlpine’ was raised. Messham told the investigation: ‘I was also abused by him sexually’ – but he could not even remember his full name, or how he had come to know who this supposed abuser was.
After trying to attack the barrister at the inquiry, Messham apologised, and when he got to the end of his marathon evidence, he thanked Sir Ronald, saying: ‘This tribunal has been more than worthwhile. There was no one more sceptical about this tribunal at the outset but as time has gone on I believe this tribunal will do the right thing.’
He was also photographed holding the inquiry’s final report, Lost In Care, when it was published in 2000, saying he was delighted with it.
Mr Messham received an undisclosed amount in compensation as part of a class settlement after the report was published, in addition to the £16,000 he received after first making his claims.

He changes his tune...
However, when Messham went on Newsnight earlier this month, all his praise for the inquiry was forgotten. He told the BBC: ‘I don’t understand why on earth we had an inquiry.’
He claimed he had been stopped from naming at least a third of those who had abused him, so allowing Newsnight to claim there had been a cover-up.
The BBC programme claimed the ‘narrow’ terms of reference of the Waterhouse inquiry had prevented it from considering abuse outside care homes. But this was untrue: the inquiry could investigate alleged abuse of care home residents that took place anywhere.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...T-tell-troubled-star-witness.html



I dunno... make of that what you will, but, to me, something doesn't add up.

Also came upon what's said to be Messham's 'Twitter' page (I don't know if it's genuine). Here's some interesting parts..

steven messham ‏@smessham
I feel so crap i never asked people to abuse me yet certain press are doing just that they are scum.
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7h steven messham ‏@smessham
I hope i get the chance to meet Lord Mcalpine to explain and to sat how sorry i am I naver named him but i feel guilty.
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7h steven messham ‏@smessham
please Lord Mcalpine i never never ever knew you were the wrong man i am so so sorry,north wales police have a lot to answer for.
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7h steven messham ‏@smessham
I thought times had changed i was set up for this i feel so guilty the lord in question does not deserve this


https://twitter.com/smessham


It does seem as though it's hunting season...

Taken from 'Metro' (November 11th 2012)...

David Mellor slammed over abuse victim Steven Messham 'weirdo' attack
Former Conservative Cabinet minister David Mellor has faced widespread criticism for dubbing north Wales children's home sexual abuse victim Steven Messham a 'weirdo' in light of the Newsnight and Lord McAlpine fiasco.

The ex-MP made his comments after BBC director general George Entwistle resigned following Newsnight's apology for broadcasting a report that ultimately led to Tory peer Lord McAlpine being linked to abuse at the Bryn Estyn home in the 1970s.
Appearing on BBC2's Sunday Politics, Mr Mellor told host Andrew Neill: 'I don't see how Newsnight as a brand can really survive this. The awful thing about McAlpine was it was so grotesque, they rely on a man who [newspaper reports have shown] is a weirdo.'
He continued: 'The idea of Alastair McAlpine being involved in child abuse is so ludicrous that someone on Newsnight should have had the sophistication to realise that.'
Peter Watt, director of the NSPCC helpline, said comments such as those made by Mr Mellor were 'extremely unhelpful'.

'Being sexually abused can lead to long-term physical and emotional damage. We know that it can take years for victims to speak out about abuse. It is vital that those who do are able to receive therapy and counselling to help them recover from their ordeal and rebuild their lives,' Mr Watt told Metro.

'Adverse comments on victims disclosing the horrendous attacks they suffered as children are extremely unhelpful. This could stop other victims from coming forward and prevent abusers being brought to justice.'

Mr Watt added: 'This sends the wrong message to young victims of abuse who may be discouraged from speaking out. And it could also make it more difficult for adults to speak out on behalf of children and report their concerns.'




Full story here:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/91759...ctim-steven-messham-weirdo-attack



So... Messham's the "weirdo"? And this, coming from David Mellor?...

In July 1992, Mellor was involved in a kiss and tell scandal in which actress Antonia de Sancha sold her story of Mellor's extra-marital affair with her, for £30,000. Their conversation had been secretly recorded by de Sancha's landlord, an activity which is legal in England. The Sun, relying on a story supplied by publicist, Max Clifford, reported that Mellor had asked to make love to de Sancha while wearing a Chelsea F.C. replica kit. It was also reported that de Sancha had sucked Mellor's toes.

Interestingly...

Mellor had claimed during a television interview that "the press - the popular press - is drinking in the Last Chance Saloon" and called for curbs on the "sacred cow" of press freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mellor



I'll leave you with one last item.

Some common sense at last (although I don't agree with all of it, I empathise with the sentiment in there somewhere).

Taken from 'The Independent' (November 11th 2012)...

Yes, Newsnight screwed up, but let’s remember who the real victims are – and listen to them
They were little children, gang-raped and beaten till they bled by those charged with their care. “Buggery, rape, bestiality, violent assaults and torture,” is how Labour MP Ann Clwyd summed up the findings of a pulped report by Clwyd County Council into abuse at children’s homes in north Wales. Steven Messham was sent to Bryn Estyn – supposedly a care home, in reality a rape factory – at the age of 13. Those who, like him, had been hand-picked to satisfy the perverse needs of sexual monsters were sent to flats and hotel rooms in their pyjamas to be raped. By the time Messham escaped on the eve of his 18th birthday, more than 50 men had abused him.
The psychological effects of child abuse are profound. Shock, fear and disbelief come immediately, psychologists note; in the long term come anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder. Abused children often start wetting the bed again; as they become adults, they can be plagued with self-hatred, an inability to form meaningful relationships, and a tendency to “escape” through drugs or risky sex.

Some of the abused simply cannot cope with the brutal theft of their childhood. Nearly two decades ago, Mark Humphreys was found in his north Wales bedsit, hanging from a staircase. Simon Burley and Peter Wynne hanged themselves, too; Robert Chapman toppled to his death from a railway bridge; Brendon Randalls drank himself to death; Leo Homberg’s life ended in a drug overdose.

It may seem needlessly macabre to retell the horrors of abused children, but it has become necessary. The story is now all-out war against the BBC, much to the undisguised delight of its opponents. It is difficult not to picture the relish on the face of Rupert Murdoch when he tweets: “BBC getting into deeper mess”. When criminality on an industrial scale took place at his News of the World, this monstrous mogul sacked those he deemed responsible and remained in place; when the Beeb make a serious mistake, the Director-General is out pronto. But in the mounting crusade against the BBC, the stories and the voices of the abused have been purged: this no longer has anything to do with them.

The story is now all-out war against the BBC, much to the undisguised delight of its opponents
Let’s be clear, Newsnight screwed up. Its report alleging that a senior Tory was implicated in the abuse of children – widely, and wrongly, named on the internet as Lord McAlpine – did not stand up to scrutiny. It is a mystery why a recent photograph of Lord McAlpine was never shown to Steven Messham – although the police have largely escaped scrutiny for seemingly wrongly identifying him to Messham in the 1990s as one of his tormentors.

This is where we have ended up. Steven Messham – a victim of systematic rape – has been forced into a humiliating apology. The Mail on Sunday has produced a two-page hatchet job on him. On the BBC’s Daily Politics show yesterday, ex-Tory MP David Mellor smeared him as a “weirdo”. A survivor of abuse who bravely spoke out now faces a smear campaign against him. Lord McAlpine was wronged, but he is receiving more pity than those buggered when they were very young.

What message will this send to other victims? We already know that the vast majority of child abuse goes unreported and – on many occasions when it does come to light – it is after the abusers have died. Many children are already too terrified to step forward to reveal their experiences. According to a report in the medical journal The Lancet in December 2008, abuse of children in developed countries such as the UK is far higher than reported by child protection agencies, and usually committed by those close to them. The proportion of cases that ends up being reported is as low as one in 10. According to the NSPCC, at least 64 children are sexually abused every single day in England and Wales, and one in four are aged under 11.

And yet the narrative that now risks being fuelled is not under-reporting, but rather the false accusations of rape – even though the Home Office believe they make up 8 per cent of reported rapes at the very most. Following Newsnight’s humiliating apology on Friday night, I appeared on BBC 5 Live with the former Tory MP Jerry Hayes; we were both shocked when, prompted by the Lord McAlpine crisis, an interview was aired with a man discussing his experience of being falsely accused of rape. Is this really where the emphasis should lie in the current climate?

What is happening is no longer about securing justice for children who have been raped and tortured, left traumatised, their lives ruined. It is now about undermining victims of abuse, and an ideological crusade to dismantle the BBC by its opponents.

I hesitate to use the word “disgraceful”; it does not begin to cover the shameful depths currently being plunged. Steven Messham was let down badly by the police and by journalists; he is now re-living his abuse while being publicly smeared. This must not be allowed to continue. The focus must return to the victims; to bringing all those responsible to justice; and to encouraging others to speak out. If not, children will continue to be silently raped and abused.

Those twisting this saga have probably not given that any thought. Those with decency and empathy, on the other hand, must – before more damage is done.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voic...--and-listen-to-them-8304858.html
nairda

Great post AH!  That Napier/Whittingdale connection should be what the MSM should be focussing on...but then as it would appear to be, there's an agenda here...

The CP links should be well and truly under the spotlight...the rock should be lifted and the cockroaches uncovered...

Keep 'em coming!
naf

Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim sparks outrage among victims

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached “an unimaginable dimension” which brought “humiliation” on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics “to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred” and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

“We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light,” he said, citing the growth of child pornography “that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society” he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: “That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years.”

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was “threatening an entire generation”.

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

“Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis,” said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

“It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal,” she added.

“The Pope insists on talking about a vague ‘broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear ‘broader context' he can influence — the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the ‘context’ that matters.”

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/search/index.jsp
JAY

UK evading pedophile super-inquiry
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012...k-evading-pedophile-superinquiry/

Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:46AM GMT

In the wake of the child abuse storm that hit the BBC and deposed its boss, observers say the British government is piling inquiries on the issue to cover up its past fiascoes and present pedophiles.

This comes as the government is facing pressure to lead a super-inquiry into the pedophile culture that has apparently plagued the British society especially in the higher political ranks and among celebrities.

The government is now leading at least nine inquiries into the child abuse scandal at the BBC and beyond.

Home Secretary Theresa May said on Tuesday that HM Inspectorate of Constabulary would do a wider report on forces that received complaints about Jimmy Savile’s sexual grooming of teenagers and how the complaints were handled.

Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer is investigating the Crown Prosecution Service’s failure to act on police evidence concerning Savile abuses in 2009.

The government has appointed a barrister to oversee four separate probes into Savile’s behavior at Stoke Mandeville hospital, Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor secure psychiatric hospital where he visited patients on fundraising trips.

The Department of Health is also leading its own internal inquiry into its conduct during the decades when it had direct responsibility for the running of Broadmoor.

The BBC is also running three investigations into culture and practices during Savile period, into the last year’s decision to impede a Newsnight investigation into abuse claims and into wider allegations of sexual harassment.

Jersey local council is planning a £6 million inquiry into claims that Savile abused boys and girls at Haut de la Garenne children’s home in the area.

And finally Theresa May has appointed the chief of the National Crime Agency to conduct an investigation into how north Wales police handled allegations of child abuse in the 1970’s and 1980’s.

Another probe will look into the failures of the later Waterhouse inquiry into the abuses and claims of a cover-up on behalf of a close ally of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

All that comes to a simple conclusion: the public have no trust in the raft of inquiries to produce results and for good reasons as officials have a record of silencing pedophile cases through unfinished or manipulated investigations as the whole bunch of failed inquiries and ignored complaints clearly show.

What is more is that the government has so far resisted calls for a so-called super-inquiry into child sex abuse among senior politicians and celebrities.

MPs from across the political parties in the House of Commons called on Theresa May earlier this month to immediately order a full inquiry that brings together the nine investigations announced into the North Wales and Savile child abuse claims.

But May only used delaying tactics to evade such a move.

"If, at the end of the process we have set in train, it appears it is necessary to move forward to a wider investigation, we'll look forward to that," she said.

May’s resistance can have a message for the British society and the victims of the pedophile rings that British media report as involving police officers, local dignitaries and politicians including senior members of the major political parties and high-profile celebrities.

It could be that the establishment systematically ignored young victims to protect perpetrators of the most heinous crimes over the past decades and is continuing to do so.

AMR/HE


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Peoples Voices / Nov 15, 2012 10:19 AM

The BBC were right to make both programs,they were wrong to not cover their backs!!!!.....after all those accused have done just that.


kath / Nov 15, 2012 9:1 AM

As many people expected, the UK government will continue to protect their friends who have been abusing young people. The allegations are so serious that an inquiry headed by a judge will be required. Those organisations in the UK who support and care for young people should keep up a vociferous commentary on the government's performance in this matter.


christian / Nov 15, 2012 5:14 AM

pedophilia originated in uk and was exported to saudi controlled arabia where the house of saud held on to it. its part of their daily life other than the drugs, gambling etc
JAY

UK abuse cover-up, common practice?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/272853.html

Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:33AM GMT

Fears of an establishment cover-up of sex abuse allegations have grown after claims that a special branch officer tried to prevent detectives from interviewing a man who alleged that a British MP abused children.

According to former detective constable Paul Foulston, former Liberal Democrat MP Sir Cyril Smith, who died in 2010, is alleged to have abused young boys.

Foulston told The Guardian he was working on a routine murder inquiry in 1976 when two special branch officers were told in graphic detail by a suspect that Smith preferred sexual activity with young men and that he would discard them when their physiology inevitably changed.

"It was bloody revolting. He must have mentioned it to the prison authorities and they must have told special branch. There were plenty of people in authority who knew what was going on. Cyril Smith was knighted and the system must have known he was unworthy. How was that allowed to happen?" The former detective constable said.

The claims come after a former special branch officer revealed that a Lancashire police file "thick full of statements from young boys alleging abuse" was seized by M15 in the 1970s and was never forwarded for prosecution.

Meanwhile, more allegations on a large paedophile ring linked to former MPs in the British elite establishment are being disclosed, since the recent sex abuse accusations against former BBC star Jimmy Savile.

BGH/AMR/HE



BBC urged to remove pedophile statue
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012...urged-to-remove-pedophile-statue/

Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:54AM GMT

The BBC, which has been hit with a massive child abuse storm, is facing pressure to remove a statue at its London headquarters that was sculpted by a pedophile.

Amid investigations of the state broadcaster’s cover-up of decades of child abuse by a pedophile ring led by its former star Jimmy Savile, the public and MPs are calling on the corporation to remove the statue of Prospero and Arial, who are characters from a renowned Shakespearean play, because the artwork was done by the pedophile Eric Gill.

Diaries of Gill, who died in 1940, revealed in 1989 that he was an incestuous pedophile.

The BBC confirmed on Saturday that it has received complaints to remove the statue, but did not reveal the number of complaints.

The issue came into the spotlight last week when MP John Hemming raised the statue during a Commons debate on child protection.

AMR/HE
JAY

Avoid TV Licence:

http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Tips%...voidng%20TVL-BBC%20harassment.htm
jackchit

JAY wrote:
Tips for Avoiding TVL/BBC harassment
http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Tips%...voidng%20TVL-BBC%20harassment.htm


Link not working Jay.
JAY

Sorry Jack,

Link amended mate

Avoid TV Licence:

http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Tips%...voidng%20TVL-BBC%20harassment.htm
steveio

On a related note, I remember Ian Crane talking about this in one of his presentations..

http://antioligarch.wordpress.com...-paedophilia-legal-across-europe/

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